I Hate That Word Lucky (cont.)
We ran out of room on the previous thread. Sorry.
There is a suprising amount of order both in the universe and here on Earth. In most cases, such order is achieved by going to a minimum energy and maximum entropy state.
What is your minimum energy state?
It corresponds to your death.
In the absence of some intelligent power, the universe has existed for long enough that we should have achieved a state of minimum energy and maximum entropy by now.
And yet we haven't. Although I believe in evolution, in many ways it is inconsistent with thermodynamic laws regarding energy and entropy. This is a contradiction that I cannot resolve without considering the possibility that there is more to the universe than we can perceive.
There is a suprising amount of order both in the universe and here on Earth. In most cases, such order is achieved by going to a minimum energy and maximum entropy state.
What is your minimum energy state?
It corresponds to your death.
In the absence of some intelligent power, the universe has existed for long enough that we should have achieved a state of minimum energy and maximum entropy by now.
And yet we haven't. Although I believe in evolution, in many ways it is inconsistent with thermodynamic laws regarding energy and entropy. This is a contradiction that I cannot resolve without considering the possibility that there is more to the universe than we can perceive.
Definition of a Countable Set (your infinite number of counting numbers): "In mathematics, a countable set is a set with the same cardinality (number of elements) as some subset of the set of natural numbers. A set that is not countable is called uncountable. The term was originated by Georg Cantor. The elements of a countable set can be counted one at a time and although the counting may never finish, every element of the set will eventually be associated with a natural number."
Since you postulate that you want to match the infinite number of rational numbers between 0 and 1 with the infinite number of counting numbers, that means that all counting numbers that are, ever were, or ever will be have been paired with the infinite rational numbers. Thus, you must transcend time to infinity as well. Which proves my point that in an infinite universe, all existences must exist simultaneously.
If one accepts the big bang theory of evolution, then it had a finite starting point. The velocity of the universe is known. Consequently one can compute the universe's boundaries, and the universe can be treated as an isolated system. For the second law to be invalid, energy and/or matter would have to be exchanged with an outside universe. If there is an outside universe, then that by definition means that this universe is finite.
For the universe to be infinite AND the big bang theory to be correct as the physicists contend, the universe would have to be expanding at an infinite velocity. It is not. It is expanding quickly, at the speed of light, but not at infinite velocity.
Point 2 is correct. The 2nd law does require an isolated system.
If one believes that the universe has always existed, then one must explain how something so large could come into being in the first place.
The universe is an isolated system to which the 2nd law of thermodynamics applies. One can draw a boundary around any system, even an ever-expanding one.
All matter is more organized at a lower energy state. Water is far from the only entity that is true for. Living things require energy to live. At the time that they cease to gather energy from their surroundings, they proceed quickly toward their minimum energy state - death. Long term hibernation is not even a minimum energy state.
1) The Universe as understood by most of physicists nowadays is not finite. Thus it is not an isolated system and any attempt to apply the second law of thermodynamics is invalid.
2) The 2nd law of thermodynamics requires a isolated system and that includes a system in which there is no gravitational field. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolated_sy...
3) Evolution did not occur in an isolated system and evolution does not necessarily mean a higher energy state. Water is more organized at a lower energy state (frozen). It is not clear to me at least that living things necessarily mean a higher energy state.