So it begins: minimum wages driving job losses

Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago to Business
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You can bet other fast food chains will be quick to follow.
SOURCE URL: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/12/wendys-expand-self-service-kiosks-amid-wage-hikes/


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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago
    Economics 101 indeed. Just where do they think the $15 per hour money is supposed to come from? The problem is that those who want the increase only know that money is some kind of printed paper that allows them to get stuff. They have no inkling of what it is, how they get it, and where it comes from.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
      The government people just want power and re-election. Pandering to voters is what counts, whether its "black votes matter", or "young votes matter", or "white votes matter".

      The statists leave it to the producers to figure out how to pay the $15 per hour.

      I can tell you that what I am doing in our small manufacturing company (not into fast food) is to get more into automation and/or transferring labor to china. Our labor costs will stay the same one way or the other. We will let 2 of our 5 workers go the day that 10-289 rule comes into play.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago
        That's exactly what I'd be doing were I still in business. There is a bottom line that cannot be gone below. If it does, there's no point in being in business.
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
          It seems sometimes that no one really cares about my business except me, and I need to stick up for myself and my business. The customers want a great product at the cheapest prices, the suppliers want as much as they can get for their products, the employees want as much money as they can get, and the government wants whatever is left. They all figure that somehow I will make sure the business runs regardless of what I make.

          I have a surprise for them.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago
            There comes a point (which we reached) where there is no way to make a decent living and the work is no more fun. In our case, we took a break, closed it up and went into a new and entirely different venture.
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
              Me too. I used to make medical devices until the fda became too intrusive. I sold it to a big company and started an unregulated off road lighting operation to keep busy
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 7 years, 11 months ago
    The real problem is what goes on upstream. For example, I will hire a person with a high school degree as a dental assistant and train her myself. With a minimum wage of $15, people in that job will expect much higher wages than my practice income will allow. When minimum wage goes up, people's expectations of wage levels rise as well. So fast food joints aren't the only businesses affected.
    Also, I have read that many union job wages are tied to minimum wage, as in 3 times, etc
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  • Posted by marc 7 years, 11 months ago
    “As minimum-wage hikes become mandatory, Wendy’s looks to expand self-service kiosks.”
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2...

    CONGRATULATIONS, OBAMA!

    Now you can launch your jihad against the “greedy capitalist corporations” AND CONVENIENTLY FORGET THAT THIS IS ALL YOUR OWN DAMNED FAULT!

    The poor fools who thought the $15 per hour wage was going to mean the good times will roll forgot something: When it gets too expensive to hire and retain people, businesses will go to automation!

    This will be a huge pain for me, because I flatly refuse to use those self-checkout lanes at Walmart—they are a real pain in the a$$ as far as I am concerned, and I JUST WON’T USE THE DAMNED THINGS!

    But when ALL of the clerks have been laid off and the only people left are a few store dicks to watch the entrance and exist doors to make sure nobody’s shoplifting, and the store manager and one or two assistants to do the bean-counting, THEN I GUESS I AM WELL AND TRULY $H*T OUT OF LUCK! What am I going to do when the automated self-checkout gizmo screws it up? Wait until a bean-counter can come down from the offices and try to fix it? Like, about an hour or two later?

    And what about the poor schmucks who got laid off and can’t get another job? Will everybody be on welfare then? Seems like what those bastards want—SO WE’LL ALL BE UTTERLY DEPENDENT ON THOSE STINKING POLITICAL HACKS!

    Thanks a lot, Obama!
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  • Posted by dnr 7 years, 11 months ago
    Thousands of years ago when the someone hooked a stick to a horse and replaced 5 guys with sticks, productivity has always been the driving force. The $15/hour forced wage just continues this story. When you can find a way to produce goods and services better and cheaper, then you do that.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
    Maybe it will become so expensive that people start eating healthier food.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      It affects the entire food industry, however, not just fast food. And the basic problem is still the same: government interference in business.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
        Eating out isn't as attractive as it once was.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
          I actually work in the food service industry and we're still seeing growth outpacing inflation and population growth, so I'm not sure I come to the same conclusions there you do.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
            My comment is a personal view, not a comment on the industry. I cook better than 90% of restaurant chefs and I don't have to be concerned about the health of the staff either. Restaurant cooking disagrees with me at least a third of the time, while eating at home that never happens, and I make pretty elaborate (and spicy) dishes. (Not that I am a CIA grad chef;^) I used to love to eat out. Now thanks to the distinctly high cost/low benefit it's more of a chore than a pleasure.
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
              Eating at home is a lot more healthy. You know whats in it totally. Its also a matter of careful planning to save time and money. If its only for two people, its difficult to not waste food. Much easier for a family of 4 or more.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
            People (including me) want variety and dont want to have to plan purchases and cooling. The is the NOW culture which I think drives the growth in eating out.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 11 months ago
      I'm sure that is one of the reasons the Left has pushed this narrative. But they also do it because it destroys non-union jobs, not just in fast food but in bookstores and other small businesses, both franchise and independent.

      I suspect a lot of the fast food places that close will be replaced by food trucks -- a fight that the Institute for Justice is winning. And those are run by owners, not employees.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
      Healthy food is available at some fast food restaurants now. Automation can keep the costs down and should be implemented NOW. Check out Pollo Loco's double chicken avocado/fajita salad. Its my current favorite anti diabetic lunch.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
        Mexican food is not a favorite. The very smell of most Mexican restaurants sends me straight out the door. Not certain of what it is that is most off-putting, but corn tortillas, cilantro, rancid oils are likely candidates. Just my preference, not a commentary on others ;^)
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
          Fortunately there are many choices of food out there. I dont go to the "authentic" mexican restaurants, because I agree with you. I prefer the higher end gringo-mexican restaurants or cooking it myself. When I cook myself, I know whats going into it too !!
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
    I welcome the kiosks. I am tired of the current crop of useless clerks who cant even concentrate on me long enough to translate my verbal messages to their computer system and get my order right !! I dont really want to interact with humans at fast food or sit down restaurants anymore. Paying them $15 an hour would disgust me so much I wouldnt patronize them anymore.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 11 months ago
    I was thinking of writing "Economics 101" here before I clicked the link and saw it mentioned in the second line of the article.
    I took the college course in the late 60s, but it does not even require a high school education to go figure that forcibly skyrocketing the minimum wage will force companies to cut back on jobs.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 7 years, 11 months ago
    Already happened. Gone are the low paying starter positions one used to get, so you could "learn the business" and work your way up. Currently I cannot afford to hire people as trainees - which means when the workforce that has training dries up, there will be no one to replace them. Stockboys(and girls), Shop rats, Copy girls (and boys) at newspapers - we're already seeing the demise of news as a job avenue because no one has the talent or skill to become copywriters, reporters, or editors.

    We're "increased-minimum-waging" ourselves out of existence, and handing our propriety to foreign countries that don't have such stupid, elitist entitlement laws. $15 an hour? Good luck with that - you should be making that already, having gone beyond a "minimum wage" job years ago.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
      All jobs not worth the $15 per hour cost will simply disappear, and quickly. And they look to business to "create jobs". Creating a job is the LAST thing I would want to do. Eliminating the jobs through better product and service design is first, then automation, then outsourcing to china or some cheaper place, and only THEN hire a human.
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