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Bernie Supporter Asked Who Pays For His “Free College” on Live TV, Her Response Is Stunning

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Another Ponzi Scheme.

I can barely pay for myself...what makes them think I can and should pay for everyone else?
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    Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago
    Question what is the value if it is free?
    Let's just give everyone a diploma and skip the education.
    How many years of college can you take to avoid pretending to produce?
    How about a free wardrobe!
    Maybe the professors will lecture for free.
    Then next, it will be everyone gets an A+.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago
      Excellent point. Value comes from scarcity - not abundance!

      Very well said, indeed!
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 7 years, 11 months ago
        So true, just look at the value of a High School Diploma now that everyone gets one.

        My oldest son had a buddy that went to "Landmark" which is the, you really did not cut it in High school but we want you to graduate anyway school.

        My Son took College level courses and graduated with only 1 semester to go for an associates degree with a 3.91 GPA.

        His friend took a 7th grade algebra class as a senior in which they only had to get 33% right on quizzes to pass the daily quiz. His grade was made up his pass/fails on the daily quiz. He graduated with a 3.87 GPA.

        Both the diplomas show the same high school as where they graduated from. Hard to see much a difference between the two on paper because we do not to leave anyone behind.

        It only stands to reason that if we provide college to everyone it would take the same course, allowing people to get a degree who really never earned it and then trying to say they are the same as those that did earn it.

        The result, the degree is valueless regardless of what was done to earn or not earn it.
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        • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago
          Continue to deflate intelligence , control healthcare ,inflate cost to survive... Then add three eggs (hill,bern,tru) separate the yoke
          Heat at global warming
          Recipe makes 300 million slaves.
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      • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 11 months ago
        Think about that for a second or two. Value is determined by individual minds. I highly value many things that I have purchased or earned as well as many things that I have gotten free. Even things that are very common are valued by individuals. Perhaps you are stuck with value only relating to price where value is sometimes but not always due to scarcity. Many things and situations are considered to have no or little value because, though they exist, they are not seen worthy of being coveted.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago
          You are correct in that value is an individual measure, but I would argue that this is a case of comparative value - not absolute value. Employment and hiring decisions relate more to comparative value: what does this potential employee bring which that potential employee lacks. Education is an area where one argues comparative value: it's why an MBA from Wharton is more coveted by a potential employee than an MBA from a community college. In the case where everyone automatically gets a college education, what you are doing in fact is destroying a hitherto valuable means of comparison.
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          • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 11 months ago
            Absolute value? So you think that if an individual values something then that is just an absolute value. All value is an individual determined value. The fact that individuals make comparisons between values does not remove the absoluteness of a chosen value. That value can be only changed in the future and remains an absolute until then. If that were not true, the universe would have to wink out from a contradiction of A = not-A.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago
              You are missing the point entirely. You are arguing for a single value judgement. I'm not arguing that your argument is without merit. What I am arguing is that you are looking at only half of the equation. If you have already predefined in your mind that you are going to hire a specific person, the addition of further education is going to raise their value to you. I don't question or challenge that assertion.

              What I point out is that most people do not know who they are going to hire when they create a position to fill. They take applicants and do a comparative analysis of each candidate against the others. It is not a matter of one individual's value, but of how that individual's value compares to others. It is not a matter of A != A, but how A compares to B, C, D, E, F... ad nauseum. Nothing has changed about one's evaluation of A.

              You are only looking at A. I am looking at the set of {A...Z}.
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              • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 11 months ago
                There is no equation involved. Your evaluation of something has to be with respect to some standard that you have. That is what it is at a particular moment of time. It can have no other value to you at that moment but when you value it in a comparison to those other values you may revalue it more or less depending on how you value them. The absolutes in objective reality are the identities of the existents which are absolute at any moment of time but may change in a duration of time. Take an oscillating clock reaction. At the starting moment the liquid is perfectly transparent which is absolute at that moment, but, say, 30 seconds later it suddenly changes color which is an absolute at that moment, then 30 seconds later it changes to another color which is an absolute at that moment, and continues until the liquid goes through a cycle of colors until the chemicals are depleted in the liquid.
                There are no valuations that are single value judgements since you have to evaluate all the things being evaluated including any standard of value that you might have.
                The valuation of the A in your example can change during the evaluation of the set of other valuations which you have to do to compare them to A, maybe you did not have all the information that you have with respect to the other values. Objective reality has no absolutes other than the identities of existents and especially none that evaluates one thing to another thing to a conscious mind.
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                • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago
                  The objective standard is the job description. What I am considering is the reality that no two applicants are identical: each will present certain attributes, characteristics, training, experience, etc. and which are far more likely than not to be different from each other. Those differences provide comparative valuations: areas where one candidate's potential value to me may be higher than another's.

                  In the example of education, if the laws change to give everyone free access to higher education, that change effectively removes one significant differentiating factor between potential employees: the investment and effort required to pursue higher education. If I am an employer and I am interviewing candidates, education can be a good measure of a person's work ethic and perseverance - especially if they have demonstrated excellence (grades), graduated from a rigorous curriculum, or had to invest their own time and money.

                  "The valuation of the A in your example can change during the evaluation"

                  What matters is whether or not such a change elevates (or demotes) A within the realm of the bigger pool by making A more (or less) attractive/valuable when compared to B, C, D, et al. Remember, value maximization takes into account all possible choices and the rational decision is the one which selects the option with the highest apparent value - not merely the first option to fill the minimum requirements.

                  PS - if you have some method of evaluating the "Objective reality" pertaining to a person, please share!
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                  • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 11 months ago
                    I agree that for a collective of candidates that one has to compare whatever each individual to the job description as well as things such as being able to take orders, get along with other employees, etc. as well as being able to compensate for perceived biases of the interviewer. But most of the selection process is purely extrinsic to the interviewee and says more about the beliefs of the interviewer. Many interviewers are not exactly objective about interviewees.

                    Originally, I was just questioning your: "Value comes from scarcity - not abundance!", not about the valuation of a group of potential employees. Value is extrinsic, not intrinsic to the evaluated object and can range from no value to great value depending on the individual doing the evaluation. In evaluating something, to whom is it of value, yourself, your neighbor, a group, a whole species, etc. To some in the Gulch, Objectivism is of great value but to others not so valuable due to its atheistic undertone of not allowing any primacy of consciousness or mystical beliefs or belief without evidence. Evaluations change. I recall that Paul Ryan who comes from my previous hometown, when he became a congressman could not say anything bad about Rand's Atlas Shrugged and had all his staff read it. Then he greatly downgraded its value due to judging it as being atheistic. The value of it is not due to its scarcity nor is it due to its abundance. Its value is only due to the evaluation done by an individual mind and is of importance only to that mind regardless as to how all others might evaluate the book.
                    In a large business with a multitude of applicants, the HR person valued by the board will evaluate the candidates by whatever standard allowed by the company with all the backgrounds of both the applicant and the HR person in the mix. Objectivity only comes in as how close the applicant comes to some standard that may or may not have evaluated the background of the applicant well.
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                    • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago
                      But is not every valuation a comparison against a pool of choices which may or may not include a "standard"? Yes. And value includes what one must pay in order to gain access to that choice. So when one has a large pool, one has a multiplicity of choices to select from and the relative cost of that choice goes down because of the sheer size of the pool - Econ 101 (supply & demand theory). A smaller pool drives up that cost of access, inherently driving value up as a result. The notion that value is independent of the range of choices available is simply not reconcilable to the facts.
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                      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
                        It boils down to how much am I willing to pay and how much am I willing to accept.

                        As little as possible
                        As much as possible

                        There is the buying price
                        And the selling price

                        Then there are the valuations over which you or I have no control.

                        Cost of Government comes to mind.

                        High price. No value.

                        Cost of Education

                        High price little value

                        A great sunset or sunrise?

                        No cost

                        A very high value.

                        (Shhhhh we don't want a sunrise tax...)
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    • Posted by Eyecu2 7 years, 11 months ago
      You said, "Let's just give everyone a diploma and skip the education."
      Speaking from the position of a high school math teacher, I feel I am qualified to say that this is basically what is happening already.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago
        Our government was designed for an educated populace. An uneducated population allows the elected to stay in office to fix the problems they the officials created.
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        • Posted by Eyecu2 7 years, 11 months ago
          Correct. The really sad thing is that at this point both the parents and children want nothing more than for the children to be passed along with the "trappings" of an education and none of the bother of one.
          I weep for what I can forsee for my grandchildren.
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    Posted by jimslag 7 years, 11 months ago
    The sad thing is that this lady was the Lt. Governor of the great state of Wisconsin. However, in this interview she proved that she nothing but an idiot. The average citizen is suffering under inflation and taxes already and now the progressive left (Socialist) is wanting to tax everything else and increase the burden on everyday taxpayers, the working poor. We can barely keep our heads above water and they keep pouring more water into the tank. Sorry but I am not going to pay for some brat to go to college that should be going to tech school instead of a trying to get a degree in Greek Mythology or Social Engineering or some other nonsense degree and it takes them 5 or 6 years to do it.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 11 months ago
    A free college education is already available to anyone with a web browser and access to wi-fi.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago
      Well said. Even my grade school kids are on Kahn Academy - especially for their math tutorials (which are quite good). My 8th grader is doing college-level calculus and software programming.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 11 months ago
      Just because there is no payment other than the cost of the internet connection, the greatest cost for education is the time and effort put into learning the course material plus application to something useful in ones life. I studied at the University of Wisconsin for six years in the sixties when as an instate student the tuition was low, $89 a semester to start and got to $350 a semester in grad school. The great cost was learning to be a chemist as an undergrad as well as the instruction that I hated in physical ed and in a year of mandatory ROTC. The cost in grad school was even mentally greater learning to be a mathematician. I did put chemistry and mathematics (other than a hobby) to the side after graduation when I could not get along with a NSF and ACS registration program to help keep the USA safe during Vietnam fears. I went into a small, small business and had four months a year to mess with number theory. The only thing I did not value was the government and society interference, the costs of those were more than I was willing to pay, they are not free.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago
    How in the world do we get such dumb jerks into high office? What a sad reflection on the voters of Wisconsin. And the interviewer starts out by saying she's a smart woman? If she's what is ruled as smart, everyone in the Gulch is a veritable Einstein.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      Government or the "Kakistocracy" as I call it, is where the stupid go for work.
      They obviously can't create value or are tired of doing so; a government job gets them all the money, fame and prestige they could want. We are their money tree!
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  • Posted by cjferraris 7 years, 11 months ago
    About 150 years ago, the average person got the equivalent education to a 3rd grader if he was lucky. Urban kids were better educated if they didn't have to work, but most children only went to school during the winter and worked the fields during spring summer and early fall. As the Industrial Revolution went into full swing, the amount of education kids got started to climb. Fast forward to post WWII and by that time, most children had the opportunity for 9 months education during the school year. By the '60s, it started becoming common, and the ones who weren't going to school as adolescents were being called delinquents, or beatniks. By that time, if you had a high school diploma, you were VERY employable because at that time, you had the building blocks to gain the skills that were useable in the market place. As the economy gained traction, there was more of a demand for an "educated" workforce. More "specialized" degrees became available, thus creating the education bureaucracy. As with any bureaucracy, once it gets established, it will continue to grow on its' own and is like ivy, it ultimately destroys the thing it holds it in place.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
      The 8th grade test offered was for the most part a mix of what we received in 1958 some half century later.and what had already become senior high school material. Now that entire test would require a very advanced form of education to equal that available 100 years ago. No wonder the answer is I would use my calculator to scan and define those big words for a college student.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
    I think the proponents of free this and that should simply pay for it out of their own funds. I would have no problem with that , actually.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      That's right...if one has the concern and abundance to do so...then by all means. I have different concerns and different things in abundance that I may want to share.

      SO LEAVE ME! OUT OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 7 years, 11 months ago
    To me the most outrageous part of this interview was the last statement by Matthews: "I love your ideals." Ideals, indeed. This woman's "ideals" consist of her devotion to collectivism and theft. Yuch.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
    To answer all of the comments they don't plan on putting their hands in your pockets. There's nothing there that Obama didn't steal.

    It will be a repeat of Cycle of Economic Repression Part I and the not starting iup Cycle of Economic Repression Part II. Inflation, devluation, debt repudiation and oh yaaassssssss about your pocket. they lied a third whack at the buying power of your retirement fund without COLA

    Suckers!

    At 30% each cycle if it follows the Great Recession version you can forget about retirement and may not be able to afford assisted suicide.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago
    This woman was the Lieutenant Governor and this much of an absolute imbecile?

    PS - the reason Matthews is giving her a hard time about the source of the money isn't because he all-of-a-sudden had a lucid moment, but because he's a Clinton supporter trying to make a Bernie supporter look bad.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 7 years, 11 months ago
    Dang, the video wouldn't run even after wasting much time updating players and retrying several times. I suppose the text will have to suffice.

    Seems Bernie wants all to be equally ignorant.
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  • Posted by Gilles 7 years, 11 months ago
    There's not only the cost issue, but the law of supply and demand are just as relevant. How will the Uni's take the increased supply of students? Standards are gonna have to be lowered even further.

    Then what happens to the talented few who demonstrate superiority. Equalize them? Talk about crushing the virtuous, and raising the criminals.
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  • Posted by davidmcnab 7 years, 11 months ago
    Any significant scaling-down of military operations, especially with the military's supplier networks that charge $500 for a screwdriver and $2000 for a toilet seat, could finance a lot of things.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
      Yes like the unemployment benefits when the troops come home and reclaim their jobs.People ought to think before typing. Returning veterans especially reservists have all the rights. Employers and their replacement hires have zero rights.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago
      National Debt $19 trillion and counting .At normalized interest rates or the 100 year average. Interest expense dwarfs military spending by a whopping 400 billion. Until we pay that off we shouldn't finance ANYTHING.
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      • Posted by davidmcnab 7 years, 11 months ago
        What. The. Actual?!?!? Based on this, the question is how long will it be before the USA becomes a larger-scale Greece?

        University students would do well to add some Mandarin papers to their courses, so they can speak more easily to their creditors/overlords.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 7 years, 11 months ago
    Wouldn't it be easier for these socialists to sponsor a college student 100% including health needs, even if they can't afford to pay for their own? How about putting your money where your mouth is instead of your hand in someone else's pocket?

    When a person with experience meets a person with money, the person with experience ends up with the money and the person with the money ends up with the experience. I think that explains Sander's socialism.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
      Oh now that makes sense. He's just a garden variety thief runing a very Gore-ing scam.

      But we now have the first nominee for Miss Stooopid 2016 to join that other idiot from last years sand box poopie pile contest. what did they call that 'safe tinkle spot?' that one was going to raid the rich and this one wants everyone's money.

      So what did we learn. The only cure for stupid requires a morturary.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 11 months ago
    A hundred years ago, it was the High School Movement. Prior to the late 19th century, eight years of education was enough.

    Local taxes, local bonds, local school boards, and truancy laws worked with labor unions to keep kids from the job market. But would you want to be limited to a 19th century 8th grade education?

    College is the same thing now. Either you are educated or not.

    I agree that the free market is a better solution, but the present system of college education is pretty much a voucher system.
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    • Posted by $ number6 7 years, 11 months ago
      Most college education in the USA is comprised of the first two years being rehashing of "general ed" courses, a complete waste of dollars.

      College should be higher education, not just remedial to fill the coffers of the college educational complex.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
        Completely agree, at least based upon my experience some years ago. Most of my college "education" was a complete waste of time and much of that waste was the insistence that I be forced to sit through high school again. Two years of my life passed before I saw the first engineering course, and that was from a completely worthless sack of rubbish who could not teach anything (and had no inclination to do so either.) Possibly just as well as I immediately switched to business and a career in systems design that became a long-term passion. At least I only had a couple of socialist propaganda courses at that time, and they were transparent foolishness taught by biased looters.
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        • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 11 months ago
          My freshman year was 1967. I completed a bachelor's in 2008 and a master's in 2010. In between, I attended seven different colleges and universities, off and on over the decades, taking classes I wanted for reasons of my own. Often, it was for career. Sometimes, it was personal improvement. I had good professors and bad, but most were pretty good. One thing I learned about the fourth year (third school) is that you get out of it what you put into it. I never let a poorly performing professor prevent me from learning.

          Your mileage varied.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
            Agreed, Mike. I left that professor and that college behind as soon as practical (2 quarters, I think, to transfer mid year, change majors, and regain momentum.) I also found work in the new major almost immediately, and that was very educational and inspiring, not to mention financially rewarding.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
              Good move. it was the same way back in 63 in some of the classes. even then they had started the poison. main difference was a year in college was $1200 not $12,000 or $24,000 but by and large it was worth ten times as much, Professors were busy teaching back then not littering the air with four letter lectures.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 11 months ago
      Here's the proof that a hundred years ago eights grade education was better than today's college:
      http://www.barefootsworld.net/1895fin...
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        Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 11 months ago
        Baloney. First of all, nothing in our world hinges on knowing the dry weight of a bushel of wheat. So, cross out all of the questions that depend on knowing how to be a farmer.

        Second, 100 years ago, even with the High School Movement pushing for higher education, you could drop out legally at 16 and many did. Even into the 1960s and 70s in places like Detroit, you could get a "good paying job" in a factory without an education -- and many did, which laid the foundation for Detroit's woes today. High school was optional. Not everyone went. And many quit before they had to take that final exam.

        I agree that high school was more rigorous for my mother's generation, and for me more than for my daughter. But many factors come into that. My mother and I both went to the same elementary school and high school (some years apart, of course) in Cleveland, Ohio. However, my daughter went to high school in a little farming town in central Michigan. She got through and all, but it was not that much education. And I see the same thing here in Texas. I have been a science fair judge for five years. These poor kids from the rural schools are deprived for science education resources while their schools pour millions into football. Care to denounce high school football? In Texas? My point is that you can find all kinds of egregious examples, but outliers do not make a curve.
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        • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 11 months ago
          First, the article itself suggests that the questions related to farming are not applicable to today's world They do, however, demonstrate the rigor of the schooling. As to not everyone not being required to.go.to high school - rightly so. Their primary education taught them more than our high schools and most colleges I don't believe that Detroit's demise is the result of not.attending college; it is more likely the result of colleges teaching at the high school level, while the high schools and the primary schools not teaching at all, except football, of course. So, remove the farming questions from that 7th grade test and let me know how college graduates score on that test.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
            The USA feeds the world and ships it free of charge. Seems like dry weight of a bushel is important to a very large agricultural effort and the resulting transportation system.

            Point is a similar test of that depth and complexity would result in tears, moans, whines, failures, and social promotions to get in the way of education at the next higher level.
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