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Global Warming Panic

Posted by dbhalling 11 years, 10 months ago to News
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Turns out the antarctic ice shelf all the AWG people are screaming about is the result of a sub-glacial volcano.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 10 months ago
    db; thanks for finding the article. The more and more information of the deliberate falsification of data and analysis used in the attempt to substantiate Global disaster caused by humans appears on it's surface to be insanity. But the more I think and ponder, I believe it's a reflection of self-hate and fear of reality by human kind. But the cost of loss of individual freedom, loss of pride in humanities achievements, the waste of capital and intellect, and the damage done to the scientific method and public trust is huge and I wonder just what the ultimate impact to our species will be.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 11 years, 10 months ago
    I am searching for the period in history when the climate was not changing. I know there is a record of this somewhere since everything else since God created heaven and the earth has remained exactly the same.
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  • Posted by wiggys 11 years, 10 months ago
    unfortunately regardless of how much true factual information surfaces the movement by the government will not change its course. those in power who have absolutely no knowledge nor do they ever want to acquire any will simply ignore what this article explains. they will continue to ignore the facts and make laws that will have devastating affects on all of us in the usa. the rest of the world will not do anything.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 10 months ago
    I remember the occurrence last year when a group of environmental wacko climate change scientists went to the Antarctic in order to study the melting ice, but got stuck in ice that wasn't supposed to be that thick. It took a small armada of ice-breakers and helicopters over several days to get them out. I love irony.
    I'm no scientist, as I understand it, the temperature down there is 70 below zero. That it would take 260 megatons of nuclear explosion to melt enough ice to raise the water less that a foot. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but the real question is: Why are we wasting time on this !@@#$$#@!?
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago
      On a history channel show awhile back, they talked about, and showed, a huge building down there that had to be built on jacks, to account for the ice pack.They figure it'll be at risk for being buried again in a decade or so. They faced special problems because of the extreme cold, like metal fatigue and such. Wish I could remember more of it, now...

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  • Posted by Temlakos 11 years, 10 months ago
    Here is why you cannot trust the climate scientists in the middle of the global warming debate.

    Phil Jones, Director, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, England, UK, actually wrote this in an e-mail:

    "I just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to the data series for the last twenty years, i.e., from 1981 onwards, and to the 1961 series for Keith's to hide the decline."

    Identifications: "Mike" is Michael Mann, author of the Hockey Stick Graph. "Keith" is Keith Briffa, another mutual friend.

    These guys know each other--and they know each other well. They get together and decide how to cook the data (pun intended) to pretend that the globe is..er..cooking.
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  • Posted by salta 11 years, 10 months ago
    We can never expect the media to run with a story along the lines of "the climate is stable, and there is nothing to worry about". Stories that sell are those that predict catastrophe, thats the way its always been, and it does not necessarily need a conspiracy. A great book on why some stories persist better than others is Virus of the Mind by Richard Brodie. It covers trivial things like urban myths, and important things like why certain ideas persist in politics or religion.
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  • Posted by Solver 11 years, 10 months ago
    When I was young, I never heard a whimper about global warming. The preaching back then was about how man's progress would blot out the sun and bring about the next ice age.
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  • Posted by hrymzk 11 years, 10 months ago

    Most of you need to go back to high school and review how basic science works. That includes reviewing Science research papers out of the preeminent journals. Examples of which I've already posted.
    Not this stuff out of a biased website. Whatever it is.

    Harry M
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
      Yes. We're doing objectivism a huge disservice by associating it with what I consider fringe wishful thinking. People like me prior to 2012 who haven't read it think Ayn Rand is about blind politics.
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      • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 10 months ago
        Hey, CG, I resemble that remark!
        I wish the earth was getting warmer. (Winter is coming in here)
        history shows that the human condition (prosperity, comfort, technology, arts) benefits from warmer temperatures.
        Warming is predicted by a set who select data to suit desired conclusions, make dodgy adjustments to data, sue and call for jailing of critics, hide their methods, 'lose' data, then produce models that are hopeless at matching reality. Political objectives and bandwagoning are dominant.
        Cooling is predicted by models that, by using solar radiation fluctuations, match reality comparatively well.
        If it were a bet, follow head or heart? nice if same same, but when there is conflict, cannot do both.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
          The world has been getting warmer since the last glacial maximum. It will be very costly. It would happen anyway, but it's happening faster (we don't know how much faster) b/c of human activities. We will have to pay a price to deal with rising sea levels, sooner b/c of human activities.

          All of this, IMHO, is fact, and I don't get the political controversy. We will need to find a way to drive the climate to favor human interest or build amazing engineering structures to keep the water out of coastal cities and bring water to the places that become drier. I'm confident we will. I don't get all the denalism.

          Humans almost disappeared around when anatomically modern humans appear. We almost lost western civilization to the plague. This isn't nearly as bad. We'll develop amazing technologies that will have applications beyond just controlling water and climate. There's no need to deny the facts.
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          • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 10 months ago
            "The world has been getting warmer since the last glacial maximum"
            Right. Since the last global temperature minimum, temperatures have been higher. Temperature goes up and down due to changes in solar radiation, changed and wobbles in the orbit and spin of the globe, and massive undersea volcanic activity which change ocean currents. All facts if not fully quantified.
            If data sources can be trusted, the rise in temperatures over the 20th century have stopped for some 17 years now. The climate alarmists models did not predict it, the so-called climate scientists do not know why. Unfortunately, official data can not be trusted, manipulation has been extensive. Documented, fact.

            "we don't know how much faster) b/c of human activities"
            Wrong. We do know, it is zero.

            "I don't get the political controversy."
            Climate change is a political matter. The objective is to take money from poor people in rich countries and give it to rich people in poor countries, there are massive fees on the way. Well documented facts.
            The science such as it is, is based on superseded hypotheses, faking of data, and persecution of opponents. The proponents are of two kinds: A cabal with their hands in your pocket, and those who know nothing but being altruistic, want to save the world from disaster.

            Is there a disaster? Yes!
            People in poor countries starve while food crops are diverted to fuel use, and land is taken out of productive use so rich can get carbon credits. Avalanches of government money are spent on propaganda, useful economic activity is reduced and sometimes stopped.
            A big UK power station (DRAX) is being converted from coal to wood chips, these come from trees cut down in Virginia and carried by oil powered ships, all to save (..here I am speechless, I do not see what can be saved), but a lot of money is being made by the usual set.

            But the oceans are rising! Yes, by 3mm a year. There is evidence of slowing over the past decade. The Pacific island nations that claim to be sinking are in fact rising. But they got some UN money.

            The world, especially poorer nations, badly needs more electric power. World funding agencies will not lend money, western governments buy off the leaders with wind farms, when you see the blades turning you know the diesel motor is working. Fact.
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      • Posted by Wanderer 11 years, 10 months ago
        Circuit;

        I read AS long ago. In my memory it was about makers vs takers. However, some in The Gulch debate politics and Objectivism as though they are intertwined. So, I decided to reread the book and see if it was as I remembered. I still see it as talented makers vs envious, lazy, takers. I don't read politics into it at all.

        I think we all know which side of the AGW argument Ayn Rand would occupy.

        Objectivism and AGW, two things that don't belong in the same sentence.
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    Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
    Oh, just so you know, the whole "global cooling scare," although widely circulated by the press, never had the support of the scientific community like the theory of global warming does.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cool...

    The claim that scientists used to believe in global cooling but now believe in global warming is a popular myth among conservatives, but unfortunately it's not true. While the press and the media have gone back and forth on the issue over the decades, actual scientists have not, and it's common for many people in the general public to fail to distinguish between the actual findings of scientific studies and the skewed reports that journalists write about those studies. Sometimes journalists will even take a scientific study and then write a report claiming that the study found the exact opposite of what the study actually claimed to have found.

    I remember an incident recently where a scientific study was conducted on internet usage, and the study found that excessive online multi-tasking impairs concentration and reduces productivity because people are trying to do too much at once, and don't focus on one task at a time. But then Google happened to get ahold of the study, and they published a report on it claiming that the study showed using the internet more made people smarter because they're using more of their brain at once, which was the exact opposite of what the study actually said. The truth of what the study showed was that when you're zeroed in and focused on one specific task, you're using only the portion of your brain which is necessary for that task, which means all of your mental resources can be exclusively dedicated to it, thus enhancing your effectiveness at that task. Multi-tasking, on the other hand, tends to split your mental resources apart and distribute them over a wider area of your brain, meaning you're using more of your brain at once, but you're using it less effectively and less efficiently. But Google took the part about using more of your brain at once, and ran a report saying that using the internet more makes you smarter because you're using more of your brain. Google had a conflict of interest in the matter (they make more money when people use the internet more), which caused them to misinterpret and misrepresent the data in a way that favored their agenda.

    This is the same thing that happened with the so-called "global cooling scare." Scientists never endorsed global cooling, but certain media outlets had an agenda to push, and so they skewed the data and made false claims about how scientists supposedly were saying the earth was cooling, even though scientists were actually saying no such thing. So it's important to remember to distinguish between what scientists actually say and what journalists claim scientists are saying, because it's an unfortunate fact of our culture that journalists on both the right and the left often cannot be trusted to provide truthful and accurate information about scientific findings.
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      Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
      Real scientists never took AGW seriously either. You cannot take a hypothesis seriously, when its proponents constantly lie about the data.
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      • Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
        AGW?
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        • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
          Anthropomorphic Global Warming
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          • Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
            Oh, ok. I wasn't familiar with the term "anthropomorphic," so the abbreviation threw me off. Thanks for the info.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
              He means anthropogenic, i.e. caused by humans.

              Anthropomorphic means something that looks human to the eye but isn't. It could be an anthropomorphic dummy or an anthropomorphic arrangement of branches that you momentarily mistake for a person.

              It also means imputing human traits on non-humans as in "the ants were all fired up and excited," implying what ants experience when they're more active is anything like the human emotion of excitement. That's anthropomorphizing the ants.
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              • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 10 months ago
                Thank You, CG! it's wonderful seeing another engineer who also loves the language in as precise a way as we must view science!!! -- j

                and Maph, it's sad to see that our fact-gatherers' misrepresentations are caused by conflicts of interest ... I have tons of interest conflicts and strive mightily to block them as I approach facts. yes, I over-eat. yes, I smoked and harmed my lungs. practice makes, well, better? maybe I can cheat this cause-and-effect thing! -- j
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
                  Thank you.

                  Our conflicts of interest are a natural part of being human. We need systems in place for checks and balances. I eat a lot of junk food, but I resist the urge to say, "Taco Bell is probably good for me. Maybe there's a massive conspiracy by people who don't want me to enjoy life to get me to buy cheaper vegetables and fruits instead of Taco Bell. I'm going to keep thinking that until I see 100% proof positive that Taco Bell is bad for me."
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                  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 10 months ago
                    2 years ago, CG, I ended up in the hospital with malnutrition -- and I was eating too much "junk food" at the time. they pumped me so full of magnesium that I thought I was becoming a Beetle engine. so, now, I take my Mg -- and other fun stuff -- religiously, and still enjoy my Taco Bell !!! -- j
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                Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago
                "Anthropomorphic means something that looks human to the eye but isn't."
                Right. For example, your average member of the current administration is anthropomorphic....
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                • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 10 months ago
                  oh, Hira, I'm afraid that they're human;; the problem is that they're PC fascists -- dead set against the U.S as founded, for which Rand exchanged her life and to which I pledged mine when joining the military in 71.....
                  Yes, we needed to leave slavery behind, but did we need to substitute slavery of the producers for it?
                  your cleverness IS appreciated !!! -- j
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    • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 10 months ago
      The global cooling scare:
      See Newsweek, Cooling World, April 28, 1975, several scientists and institutions quoted.
      James Hansen was one. He was one of the instigators.
      Now, what he and others said is being whitewashed, using Wikepedia as a source on climate is a joke. (Do you know the story?)

      How cooling changed to warming:
      Hansen again was in the lead. He, like many, found that money and support came from greens to stop (so-called) warming. Hansen himself was allied with Al Gore, Heinz and Soros,

      The money trail is quite interesting, warming is beneficial, while cooling can be quite bad for human and most other life. The reason is that the green movement is an anti-life religion. They want to cut human population by whatever it takes - destroying industry, standard of living, sources of food and fuel; no use of coal, oil, nuclear, they do not even like dams, cutting down trees for fuel is ok, for the moment.

      A few amusing quotes:
      “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”
      - Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution
      '..whether there is a new temperature record depends upon the particular data set used.'
      James Hansen
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago
        Club of Rome.... aren't they the idiots that Carter listened to? The ones who predicted massive starvation due to overpopulation by the turn of the last century or some such?
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        • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 10 months ago
          Back when that report came out we used to discuss it seriously. The theme was we are going to run out of everything, Oil, iron, copper, coal, land, .. 197x?
          Did not know then that not only were they wrong but they did not care- as long as it provoked a scare.
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          • Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 9 months ago
            From what I understand they would have been right, because their calculations were based on the mode and method of agricultural production at that time. In 1981, the total world population had reached 4.5 billion, whereas in 1950 it had been 2.5 billion. With such a massive increase in population from 1950 to 1981, the wealthy elites began to fear that the world economy would no longer be able to produce enough food to feed everyone. That's why they predicted massive waves of death due to famine and starvation. What they didn't anticipate was new innovations and technological advancements which increased food production so that the larger population could be sustained.
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    • Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 10 months ago
      Re: Maphesdus

      Once again your information is based on opinions and you present them as if they're facts. You provide no citations of the source of your information as usual. It kind of reminds me of the IRS formulating rules and enforcing them as if they are laws.

      On the one hand you are claiming that the media misrepresented scientific studies to present their personal views and yet you seem to think that the media is telling the truth about scientific studies at this time. Would you like to poll the public to see if they believe whether the media can be more trusted now than then?

      As to the scientist who the media claimed were predicting cooling during the 70's, if they were being misquoted then, where was their integrity in making sure that the “truth” was brought out?

      The bottom line to this “man made” global warming is that few conservatives would argue that there are not periods of global warming just like there are periods of global cooling. Nature is a powerful force and is not likely to be influenced by man all that much. It has been proven for many years that underwater vulcanoes are the primary force that on occasion causes the arctic oceans to warm by fractions of degrees.

      Below are a few citations for you to peruse to perhaps allow you to reconsider your opinions.

      In one of the earlier posts, “Temlakos” provides just one example of the hundreds of deceitful emails that were generated by pro “man made global warming” scientist sent each other to “prove” their mythical facts.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...

      http://diggingintheclay.wordpress.com/20...

      http://www.iceagenow.com/Ocean_Warming.h...

      http://iceagenow.info/2012/05/finding-10...

      The gigantic fraud committed by Al Gore and his ilk is a stain upon much of the scientific community and the liberal media.

      Fred Speckmann
      commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
      I know people carry on about climate models changing, but I don't get the argument. Suppose our understanding of climatology really had (I know it's false) changed radically in 30 years. So what?
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      • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
        Interesting question. Several economists and scientists have studied this and most of have concluded it would be good for agriculture, good for life expectancy, good for the economy, although not without some issues - see Venice.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
          My point is it's a fallacy to say science cannot be trusted b/c it changes. I like Michael Pollan, but he's a bad offender on this. He says we used to think macronutrients were all we needed. Then we found micronutrients. There's some evidence that were wrong about the nature of micro nutrients. Ahh forget it, he says, let's just abandon all food science b/c it's keeps changing its mind.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 11 years, 10 months ago
            This is the distinction between 'science as a religion' and 'science as an objective process'. Very few people understand that science = change. They want absolute answers that they can depend on and pass down to their grandchildren. That is religion. Science changes all the time.

            This is something we need to teach: with science, there is no permanency, only a set of endless progressive determinations.

            Jan
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            • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
              I agree, although real sciences almost never result in a complete rejection of what was known before. For instance, part of why we know that Einstein's Theory of Relativity is right, is that it agrees with Newtonian mechanics at speeds not close to the speed of light, and at lower gravitational fields.
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              • Posted by $ jlc 11 years, 10 months ago
                That is exactly the example I would use: Newtons Laws of Motion were regarded as being unchanging girders of physics, but we now know them to be 'local phenomenon'. They are useful approximations of how 'things work' when they are not really small (subatomic particles) or really big (galaxies) or really fast (as you say above). Newtons Laws are what we as biological animals can use to express motion in our senses-visible world.

                And you are correct in that something that is scientifically true is rarely completely overturned. That foundation finding often serves as a basis for further research - which research ends up recursively modifying the foundation law.

                Jan
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago
      "actual scientists have not,"

      Actual scientists don't support AGW, either. Just the charlatans known as "climate scientists".

      Climate science is to meteorology what astrology is to astronomy.
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