What do we think about Puerto Rico's Default

Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 2 months ago to Economics
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Self governing territory will not set up austerity measures to address this long-foreseen problem.
What do we think about the issue?
Was it contributed to by being a territory vs state?
Can/should this show up on the 2016 election?


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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unless your intent is strategic (a military presence or missile presence) and not economic. Even without an economic incentive they'd stick around forever just for leverage sake.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Any power taking over PR would be in the position of Daimler-Bemz moving into Detroit to take over Chrysler. The minute you do it, you begin looking for a way .... Any way ... Out.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Non-binding referendums are like polls. Unless it's an official vote or legislative petition, it's only opinion. All five times the issue has been formally voted on, the citizens of Puerto Rico have chosen to remain a territory.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 2 months ago
    Puerto Rico's default is the latest in what will be a long "progressive" list of loan payment defaults. What I don't get is, with all of the debt worldwide, why can't I find a decent interest rate on bonds anywhere like I did in the 1980's (and many other people did before that in the 1970's)?
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He was horrified enough to exile Deng Xiaoping for proposing the idea in the seventies.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I remember men's rooms in public buildings where the urinals were free but the booths were coin operated. That gave me a double LOL.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    close :)

    Here I sit, broken hearted,
    paid my dime and only farted.

    lol, I heard about how it used to cost a dime from my grandfather whenever I asked to stop to use a rest room. Its funny what one remembers.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They don't need to get off the pot. The pot has been given to them. If defecating stands for actually doing the right thing, then here's some graffiti that while crude, does seem appropriate:
    Here I sit, broken hearted,
    Came to shit and only farted.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The trouble is if the American people voted to revoke territory status it would be an invite to other powers to setup shop. I don't think many these days would back military action based on the Monroe Doctrine should Russia, China, or even Iran or North Korea established a footing in PR.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago
    Let Obama and the left wingers spend THEIR money on fixing Puerto Rico- NOT MINE
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago
    I dont want to contribute to solving their self imposed problems. They are an island; let them fend for themselves.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe the US should have a vote on whether or not to keep them as a territory.

    Want to take odds on how that would turn out??
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
    we Should Not Bail People Out. . not States, not
    territories, not businesses, not bureaucracies, not
    individuals.

    this is why we owe nineteen trillion! -- j
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    LOL.. or lack thereof.

    Not sure if anyone has seen the stories on the 'medical slavery' in Cuba. They train their doctors (admittedly very well) and a big source of revenue for the government is to pimp them out to other Latin & South American countries. The Cuban doctors & nurses have to report to work in wherever, the Cuban government stacks them 5-high in 1 bedroom apartments, charges the host country $10,000+ a month each, and only pays them about $300 plus room & board.
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  • Posted by Danno 9 years, 2 months ago
    I think Goldman made major money selling the PR bonds then shorting them.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is what I thought. I had a long conversation about this with people in the USVI. They explained it was financially beneficial to remain a territory.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think its more a matter of shame. Initially, when they receive they are grateful but then over time they start to feel their dependency which only amplifies their sense of hopelessness (lack of self reliance - "if they stop suppling me I'll starve"). Its from this hopelessness they come to resent those who give.

    Vicious cycle.

    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
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