I definitely agree with keeping religion separate from gov't. I know many countries identify with a religion and follow extreme interpretations of it. I agree that religion, when taken literally, is a horrible idea. I'm completely atheist. I'm just saying I know some religious people well who I know don't believe in these extreme views. They're not obliged to lie to me because I'm an atheist. They've learned to live in modern secular society. It's just not true that all religious people are extremist.
Hi Map- 1. Australia, where unlike our 'mother country' the UK, there is no established religion. 2. a) In a legally monogamous nation, they can have more than one wife on government welfare support. b) In a nation with very strict gun control and ownership laws, they have obtained guns and use them, so far in disputes among themselves. c) In a nation with no freedom of speech constitutional clause, they can insult and call for violence against women, homosexuals, and other religions (see another recent comment by me on this). Actions which would put other in court, fined, or put in jail. (ditto). d) Institutions paid for by government provide prayer rooms for their use. e) They have special contacts in welfare departments that give the ability to receive welfare while working in proper paying employment. Enough for now.
Gosh, Islam again. (Blech) CG, Islam isn't so much a religion as it is a political theology. For the first 13 years of islam, Mohammed converted about 150 followers ~ mostly family & extended families. Then, he went political and militant and went onto forcibly converting over 100,000 over the next 10 years, up until his death. Anyways...
The central authority of islam is Sharia Law. It applies to muzzies and non-muzzies alike. FYI, in a Sharia compliant country, Christians and Jews are able to "live" (if you can call it that), however, atheists, are NOT TOLERATED & if they do not convert, are put to death.
Mohammed said; the best muslim is a radical one. Furthermore, any muslim that follows Sharia Law is "moderate." Does Sharia Law (SL) allow for wife beating? Yes. Does SL allow for murder of any non-muslim? Yes. Does SL allow for owning/selling & killing of slaves? Yes.
You don't need to believe me though, I encourage you to do your own research. DO NOT consult a muslim: they are obliged to LIE to you. Want to read the book on Sharia Law? Here you go. If you know Sharia, you'll really understand islam and mohammed. http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Traveller...
Regarding point #2, it depends on the specific faith in question. Some faiths have no qualms about acknowledging the gods of other religions. Some of them even make a point of doing so.
Frankly, his evident deconstruction of the country, on top of his religion which is opposed to the nations ideology make a lot more reason to loath this person. Are we better off than we were before O metastasized into the cancer that he is?
Frankly, I don't care about his faith. He could be a full-blown Satan worshiper for all I care. Freedom of religion is, after all, supposed to be one of our nation's foundational principles.
I thought Islam was a religion without a central authority to rule on what is allowed. It seems like they need a Pope-like Caliph. Anyway, I'm pretty sure all the main religions of the world claim to be for pluralism and the average religious person is not an extremist.
I'm atheist, but I know many religious people who I am very confident are not extremists in any way, and they don't use religion to make scientific claims.
" President Obama was asked by the institution’s imam to end oppression against Muslims worldwide, Malaysia’s national press agency Bernama reported. "
A reasonable request. It is a small task, easy to agree to and to do. In fact, I live in a non-Muslim country yet they have privileges others do not.
I wonder if after agreeing, BO asked the Malaysian government to assist in stopping the persecution of Christians in Islamic countries? He could add- the persecution, oppression and discrimination against women, atheists, Jews, Ba Hai, Buddhists, homosexuals, in fact just about everyone including Muslims that is so common in Islamic countries.
President Obama says the normal things a leader would say, esp a leader trying to promote religious pluralism. This is why we elected him. He's not bringing about world peace, but he's visiting people around the world and offering kind words. The most bizarre thing is the article finds something even remotely disturbing about that. They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to condemn about the president. It's exactly what I imagined he would do, promote religious pluralism in world where extremism has been a huge problem, when I attended those fundraiser events what feels like ages ago b/c I had no kids yet. :)
Then you don't recognize disturbing when you see it...or your in denial...or your just plain clueless about his faith, and childhood, and upbringing. (I think your choice of words "fear mongering" is condescending.)
three things, 1) a person never mistakenly states his faith (he has - youtube "my muslim faith Obama") 2) a person of faith never asks any other god for help - ever, even being polite. 3) in Islam it is perfectly legitimate to openly lie to do whatever it is your doing in allah's name for allahs will to be done.
We see evidence daily how the great O-riface is deconstructing this nation and even decimating individual freedom and responsibility. With instances like this does anyone really have to ask why anymore? Now thats disturbing, no?
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1. Australia, where unlike our 'mother country' the UK, there is no established religion.
2. a) In a legally monogamous nation, they can have more than one wife on government welfare support.
b) In a nation with very strict gun control and ownership laws, they have obtained guns and use them, so far in disputes among themselves.
c) In a nation with no freedom of speech constitutional clause, they can insult and call for violence against women, homosexuals, and other religions (see another recent comment by me on this). Actions which would put other in court, fined, or put in jail. (ditto).
d) Institutions paid for by government provide prayer rooms for their use.
e) They have special contacts in welfare departments that give the ability to receive welfare while working in proper paying employment.
Enough for now.
The central authority of islam is Sharia Law. It applies to muzzies and non-muzzies alike. FYI, in a Sharia compliant country, Christians and Jews are able to "live" (if you can call it that), however, atheists, are NOT TOLERATED & if they do not convert, are put to death.
Mohammed said; the best muslim is a radical one. Furthermore, any muslim that follows Sharia Law is "moderate." Does Sharia Law (SL) allow for wife beating? Yes. Does SL allow for murder of any non-muslim? Yes. Does SL allow for owning/selling & killing of slaves? Yes.
You don't need to believe me though, I encourage you to do your own research. DO NOT consult a muslim: they are obliged to LIE to you. Want to read the book on Sharia Law? Here you go. If you know Sharia, you'll really understand islam and mohammed. http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Traveller...
~US
I thought Islam was a religion without a central authority to rule on what is allowed. It seems like they need a Pope-like Caliph. Anyway, I'm pretty sure all the main religions of the world claim to be for pluralism and the average religious person is not an extremist.
I'm atheist, but I know many religious people who I am very confident are not extremists in any way, and they don't use religion to make scientific claims.
A reasonable request. It is a small task, easy to agree to and to do.
In fact, I live in a non-Muslim country yet they have privileges others do not.
I wonder if after agreeing, BO asked the Malaysian government to assist in stopping the persecution of Christians in Islamic countries?
He could add- the persecution, oppression and discrimination against women, atheists, Jews, Ba Hai, Buddhists, homosexuals, in fact just about everyone including Muslims that is so common in Islamic countries.
three things, 1) a person never mistakenly states his faith (he has - youtube "my muslim faith Obama") 2) a person of faith never asks any other god for help - ever, even being polite. 3) in Islam it is perfectly legitimate to openly lie to do whatever it is your doing in allah's name for allahs will to be done.
We see evidence daily how the great O-riface is deconstructing this nation and even decimating individual freedom and responsibility. With instances like this does anyone really have to ask why anymore? Now thats disturbing, no?
*Looks for disturbing content.*
*Finds none.*
I don't see an issue here. This just sounds like nonsense fear-mongering.