ESPN Fires Curt Schilling after Facebook Post

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I wonder what Ayn Rand/John Galt would think about this silliness.
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  • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 6 months ago
    Curt thinking like a decent heterosexual (if not just rational) man, who I'm certain wants to protect women and little girls from pervs who'd use a transgender excuse to walk in on them, has become PC extinct. I've had it!
    What kind of enabling screwed up mentally sick namby pamby bizarro madhouse environment do libtards expect us to live in anyway?
    Oh, never mind. Just figured out my answer by looking at my question. Stared at what I wrote.
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    • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 1 year, 6 months ago
      I've had it, too, allosaur. I had the unfortunate experience of "meeting" a pervert when I was ten years old. I had wonderful support from my family and from a super detective in the Detroit police department who lived next door. Still, I suffered from nightmares for years. So, I have firsthand knowledge of what can happen in restrooms, parking lots, etc. This whole thing is horrible and insane.
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      • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 6 months ago
        Sorry for what you had to endure as a child.
        I just know there has to be pervs out there who are at least thinking of dressing up like women for the very first time in their evil lives.
        In all 50 states!
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      • Posted by  $  1 year, 6 months ago
        There was an article from a gay person that took a pole among his community and the vast majority of that community had that experience when young, without the support of family, without proper knowledge; came to think it was ok, normal or just destroyed their self esteem that they too continued that practice.
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        • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 1 year, 6 months ago
          That is so very sad. In my case, I was fortunate. Growing up in Detroit, all of us kids were taught by our parents and teachers to be street smart. We knew at an early age that there were very bad people out there. We learned that the best thing that we could do if a situation developed was to start screaming. My training kicked in and that was what I did. I have never screamed so hard in my life. Help came, and I was fine. To me, the jerks that are supporting this law are just as bad or worse than the perverts that they are protecting.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
      " who I'm certain wants to protect women and little girls from pervs"
      I do not think bathroom restrictions protect children from perverts.
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      • Posted by  $  1 year, 6 months ago
        But why make it easier...maybe that's the agenda by the most perverse. We know that all this crap is coming from a very small minority...maybe .3%.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
          I truly think the bathroom-focused people (I don't want to call them bigots, so insert a better name) are in a dwindling minority.

          It appears to me like we're in the midst of an automation and information revolution. I don't claim to know what motivates people, but it feels (feelings can be very wrong) like people unnerved by that turn their attentions to the bathroom. Even if this feeling is wrong, it doesn't matter. People have a right to be left alone in the bathroom regardless.
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      • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 6 months ago
        Neither do backyards, even fenced-in ones.. Even locked bedrooms.
        As for my (if not just not just rational) afterthought above, it occurred to me that even a homosexual would want his mother, sisters, female cousins and platonic female friends to able to use the restroom with some less amount of risk.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
          "some less amount of risk"
          Your unstated premise is that laws controlling bathrooms in some way reduce risk. I have no evidence for this premise. In any case, reducing risk is not in itself sufficient reason for creating criminal penalties.
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          • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 6 months ago
            "...reducing risk is not in itself sufficient reason for creating criminal penalties." Really? Now let's think about that one for a while.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
              My rant was not at you. I keep hearing how one childhood experience after another that was normal for me is now too dangerous or upsetting for my kids. I think people are slowly realizing this is a bad policy, and the pendulum is starting to swing back.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
              "...reducing risk is not in itself sufficient reason for creating criminal penalties."-- CircuitGuy
              "let's think about that one for a while." -- mccannon
              I have thought about it a lot and get fired up about it.

              Despite crime having gone down, things I did at age seven, just playing in the neighborhood, meeting new kids, figuring out who was nice, are now considered too dangerous for kids to do alone. It's like we took that phrase, "if saves even one child then keep kids away from X" to its conclusion, and now we keep our kids away from everything--- evening trifling things like losing a soccer game. They say both teams win b/c the point is to have fun. So we know have people who are 25 years old struggling to make their own decisions without their parents, which 20-somethings sometimes call "adulting".

              I'm on about this regarding kids, but the same thing goes for adults. "But if it saves just one adult..." leads to all of us living in a very safe jail, because going outside and doing something entails risk.

              I believe laws should be simplified to ban only variations on outlawing physical violence and stealing. This requires people to step up a little and be more "adult" in monitoring for perils. But it also means the vast majority accept the laws on the books and can work with the police to stop the few serious criminals.

              So eliminating many criminal penalties and accepting some increased risk is at the core of how I few gov't and law.
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              • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 6 months ago
                Based on this, when you made the statement "...reducing risk is not in itself sufficient reason for creating criminal penalties." you were obviously thinking differently than what the statement meant to me. What came to my mind after thinking about it is (among other things) dealing with drunk drivers, discharging firearms in populated areas, and opening the door giving sexual predators access to our children or other vulnerable people in our society. Even though public restrooms are referred to as "public" there is still an expectation of privacy and safety for those who need to use them. Protecting little Suzie from bathroom creeps is a whole lot different than protecting little Johnny from getting bashed in the shin while playing street hockey.
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                • Posted by ycandrea 1 year, 6 months ago
                  And what parent in their right mind would ever let little Suzie or little Johnny to use a public restroom by themselves??
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                  • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 6 months ago
                    The operative phrase here is "in their right mind", assuming decent parenting skills are evident. I've seen some people with their children, but using the term "parent" to describe them is a stretch. Additionally, I figure you are thinking of the youngest of children, which is good thinking for sure. However, when my own children (son and daughters) reached their early teens they didn't want dad following them to the restroom. Usually they had friends along and weren't going alone. Depending on where we were there were places, much to their chagrin, dad followed along and stood guard anyway.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
                    "what parent in their right mind would ever let little Suzie or little Johnny to use a public restroom by themselves??"
                    Obviously it's up to the parent, but I encourage my kids to do thing by themselves. I encourage them to talk to strangers in public places (not the bathroom, obviously) and never go off alone with anyone. We live in this wonderful time of low crime by historic standards and lower crime than when I was a kid. My kids is 7, so I'm right outside, but I encourage him to use the bathroom alone and to think ahead to just a few years when I hope he and his friends can ride to the park or store together without parents hovering over them.
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                    • Posted by ycandrea 1 year, 6 months ago
                      You kind of repeated what I said. I am talking about little kids. I said after 5 years old I wait outside. It is up to parents to protect and teach their kids when they are small.
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              • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 6 months ago
                It's damn simple. Not PC convoluted rocket science.
                If you got a ding-a-ling, go to the same sex rest room.
                If you ain't got one, go to the same sex rest room.
                It's common freaking courtesy!
                And there are laws about indecent exposure!
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
                  "It's damn simple. Not PC convoluted rocket science."
                  Are you responding to my rant about having too many laws and being too risk-averse esp with children? Or are you saying we've gotten off the topic, which I guess is the bathroom and pervs. Can we at least make a shower instead of the toilets? I first thought of this topic when I saw the shower scene in Supergirl at a kid in the mid 80s. It's odd I can still remember it at age 40.

                  I thought about it again when my wife and I were at the gym 10 years ago. I said could hear the showers from the women's dressing room, and it was odd to think that on the other side of that wall were a bunch of women walking around tightly wrapped in towels and taking them off to use use loofahs in the shower area. She said the women's change room is absolutely nothing like what I imagined. I never tried to sneak in there though. I think this topic is silly.
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  • Posted by  $  Thoritsu 1 year, 6 months ago
    I think Ayn would say that both Kurt and ESPN are entitled to their opinions and freedom of actions, and be fully responsible for the consequences. However, I doubt she would personally support transgender silliness.

    Hypothetically, the reverse set of positions would generate the opposite consequences. Imagine a person supporting transgender bathrooms being fired. The result would be a lawsuit and government intervention SUPPORTING the employee! This is a real problem!
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    • Posted by Riftsrunner 1 year, 6 months ago
      Your hypothetical is such a great way to evaluate these Social Justice issues. Flip the situation on its head and see if the results would be the same. I think I am going to use this method.

      Recently a black female assaulted a white male for having cornrows at a San Francisco college. Apparently, this isn't considered a situation that needs to be remedied. But I bet if the situation was reversed, the male would be expelled and there would be protests to eliminate the racist elements on campus.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 6 months ago
        I'm familiar with the incident to which you are referring. I was wondering if the black female would have been equally vehement at refusing the admittance of another black female who had dyed her hair blonde.

        Reversing the situation as seen is always a good method to expose the double standards of PC and race card politics. For example, as you watch TV ads that depict white people (especially white males) as idiots and fools and the sage of the ad is not, reverse the color/gender and see if it will still fly without protest or lawsuit.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
      "Imagine a person supporting transgender bathrooms being fired. "
      I think firing is under-rated. If someone were uncomfortable with my support for LBGT issues, I would rather they not have me work on a project than to work with me grudgingly. Similarly, most bigots probably wouldn't want to do a project for me. Pressuring bigots and non-bigots to work together might seem to supporting one side or the other, but pushing people to work with people they're don't like is not helpful to anyone.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 6 months ago
        It appears that you are assuming people that disagree with your ideological agenda are bigots. It is a false assumption.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
          "It appears that you are assuming people that disagree with your ideological agenda are bigots"
          I think it's more I don't know the right word for people against gender equality. "Bigots" is value-laden, but maybe that's okay because sorting people into identity groups and placing restrictions on them is repugnant to me.
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          • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 6 months ago
            "...I don't know the right word for people against gender equality." Flippantly, how about "Muslim".

            As sentient human beings males and females are certainly due equal treatment under the law. Physically, however, after millions of years of evolution the genders are not the same and, therefore, are not equal. No amount of PC social engineering and propaganda will change that. Male and female are identity groups whether you like it or not and for what should be obvious reasons the male group should be restricted from invading the female restroom space and vice versa. This isn't repugnant, it's common sense.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
              "Physically, however, after millions of years of evolution the genders are not the same and, therefore, are not equal."
              This sexes, as groups, are different, but humans beings have a right to be treated as individuals.
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      • Posted by  $  Thoritsu 1 year, 6 months ago
        As I suggested Ayn might think, I do not have an issue with a person or company deciding who they should fire, hire, work for or buy products from for ANY reason. This is freedom.

        I'm not sure anyone has suggested that anyone should be forced to work with anyone else.

        Personally, I don't care who comes into a men's bathroom.

        However, you have conveniently defined bigots and non-bigots, in a manner suiting yourself. You are entitled to your opinion, like everyone else, but the government should not take sides, and the very definition of politically correct is a problem.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
          "I'm not sure anyone has suggested that anyone should be forced to work with anyone else."
          Your post mentioned (critically) a hypothetical "lawsuit and government intervention SUPPORTING the employee". I agree and am saying that type of support doesn't support anyone. I don't want to work with redneck jerks, and they probably don't want to work with me. Firing and quitting are under-rated IMHO. There are so many more people and projects than a human lifespan gives us time to work on. I see no value in spending time on projects with bigots, identity collectivists, jerks, or whatever we're going to call them.
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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 year, 6 months ago
    I fire ESPN for their full exclusion of freedom of speech and expression. I am hurt and offended by the total lack of individual rights afforded to a human being by them. I hope they keep losing money for Disney with that management.
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  • Posted by Lindsey75 1 year, 5 months ago
    Men are men and women are women. It is as simple as that! Too somehow try to mentally change yourself and then physically change yourself is not right!
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 1 year, 6 months ago
    "ESPN has fired baseball star Curt Schilling after he shared a post on Facebook that mocked the North Carolina law banning transgender individuals from using a bathroom different from their biological sex. "

    Huh??!!! I think the guy writing the story may need to go back to Journalism class....or maybe English. The above quote suggests that Mr. Schilling disagreed with the NC state law, but his comments [and ESPS's over the top actions] suggest he was in support of it. A little clarity may be in order here.
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  • Posted by Abaco 1 year, 6 months ago
    If you look at the "outrage" over all this you must, like me, be thinking, "WTH?!" Read the words of that article again and the objective conclusion is that people are angry about a guy saying "men are men". I am convinced there's some sort of heavy blanket of stupidity that's being foisted upon the nation. It includes a complete mangling of our language.

    I joke that if I could have showered in the girls' locker room after every football practice when I was in school you know I'd have been there every night. Born 30 years too early.
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  • Posted by jdg 1 year, 6 months ago
    The cost of entering the media business is lower than it's been in decades. Soon the lefties are going to wake up and realize they don't control the business anymore. Then they'll start calling for re-regulation.

    Of course, the right answer to the "trans" question is to make all bathrooms one-person-at-a-time, so nobody has to share one. (Or at least extend the partitions to the floor and ceiling.) The transaction cost of a technical solution to this problem is much lower than of solving it by passing laws.
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  • Posted by  $  Radio_Randy 1 year, 6 months ago
    John Galt said it best "By extorting your acceptance of supernatural absolutes, it has forced you to reject the absolute of nature".

    The "absolute" of nature is what your were born with. If you can't deal with that, you need help from a mental professional.
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    • Posted by Exitstageright 1 year, 6 months ago
      I know one thing. If I catch a perv with a boner walking out of the same bathroom my grandaughter is in, he is going to need a physical professional as well. If that happens enough times, maybe they may rethink the law. Kinda like thugs who break into Grandma's house and finding out she has a 12 gauge loaded with double ought and has been itching to use it.
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    • Posted by  $  1 year, 6 months ago
      And the "mental pros'" need help themselves because they too deny nature and the physical laws. No where does north attract north nor south attract south and without a north AND south attraction, existence doesn't exist.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 1 year, 6 months ago
    kudos to Curt Schilling...politically correct speech is the New Fascism for violating free speech...the issue of male/female/x bathrooms is a free market issue...if private companies want "x"s business, they will build bathrooms for "x"...if not, it is none of the govt's business...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 1 year, 6 months ago
    I'm not a shrink but from many years of observation I'm going to get in trouble by saying I think that so-called trans-gender people are just little kids crying for attention. There are some persons who never can get enough attention. No matter how much they get, it is never enough.. Becoming a tranny gets them endless constant attention for life.
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  • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 1 year, 6 months ago
    Reducing The Risk starts with examination of self and way way waaaaaaayyy down the line examines levels of punishment one of which is a re examination of self to find the failures.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 1 year, 6 months ago
    So, do we have bathroom police now? How do we monitor public bathrooms? I never let my children, (3 boys) use any public restroom alone until they were 12 years old. Up until they were 5 they went into the lady's bathroom with me or into the men's bathroom with my husband. After that, they used the men's with my husband or with me standing outside. Parents are the important key here, not rules and regulations. As far as me being in a bathroom with a strange man who calls himself a women, that is just creepy. But how do we prevent it without a lot of gov't control?
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    • Posted by Abaco 1 year, 6 months ago
      There is a war against parents being fought by the left.

      If I see a guy follow my little daughter into the bathroom I'm pulling him out by his ear.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
        Once I had kids I suddenly started feeling protective toward all kids. It sounds cliche, but it surprised me.

        I do not think the people focused on bathroom patrol are purposely promoting child abuse, and I doubt forcing people into a bathroom for a gender they don't identify with is going to cause them to abuse children. Child abusers have other issues. I think the bathroom-focused people are just lowlifes, and one of their ways of feeling better about themselves is to try to make them use a bathroom they feel uncomfortable in. I stand up to them categorically, but not because I buy the notion they're fighting a war against parents. That's aggrandizing them. They're just jerks.
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        • Posted by Abaco 1 year, 6 months ago
          Hey...I can't argue with that. And, yes - becoming a parent changes a person. Before I had mine a good friend of mine talked to me about it. He said that when you see that baby enter the world and you hold that baby you are a changed person, never to be the same as you were before. He was right.

          That's my own personal line in the sand - the safety of children. A person would probably be safer smacking a grizzly cub in front of its mama than if they harmed a child in front of me...The mama grizzly probably won't go so far as to eat the perp's liver...
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        • Posted by  $  1 year, 6 months ago
          Guys...those that claim to be gay represent .3% of the population. Transgenders, I just learned, represents .08% of the population...................
          THIS IS MOB RULE...rule by the MINORITY!
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
            "THIS IS MOB RULE...rule by the MINORITY!"
            But you want rights decided by democracy, by the majority.
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            • Posted by  $  1 year, 6 months ago
              demonacracy is rule by minority...suposed to be opposite but guess What!, our rights are already in the Constitution....nothing about trans rights there...oh well...win some, loose some.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
                On a serious note, it seems you and I see liberty completely opposite from each other. It seems like you're saying we should divide people into groups and then the majority group can harass the minority group unless that particular minority is mentioned in the Constitution.

                By this logic, it seems like we could pass laws that try to make rural people live like urban people because urbanites are the majority and there's nothing in the Constitution about protecting rural people. The politician tells the urbanites we all know rubes are the source of our problems, so we're going to ban tractor-pulls and encourage rural people to attend the opera or ballet where they feel uncomfortable. While they're uncomfortable, the urbanites can taunt them, "Who's the pansy now, rube? I made you do something uncomfortable for you. ha ha." This is a disgusting spirit.

                We'll never see eye to eye, if I understand what you're saying right, because we're starting from different places. I believe individual rights, without regard to group membership, trump the will of the majority.
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                • Posted by  $  1 year, 6 months ago
                  Not at all...just mind your, (their) P's and Q's, understand your weird and respect others. We mean you know harm, we will help if your in trouble. Just don't push it in our faces or try to change society. It creates disorder on many levels, disorder creates chaos.
                  Like we said in the old days..."get a room", keep it to yourself and everything will be fine. Today we might respond: TMI...
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        • Posted by  $  1 year, 6 months ago
          My take is that because they are denying what they are genetically, denying the information every cell in their body has...are likely, not being honest with themselves, nevermind everyone else and are likely to be dishonest in life altogether.
          I'm not talking about someone born with both sets of genitals and the doc and parents made the wrong decision.
          Remember, the vast majority have been buggered when they were kids and circumstances have made them either rebel or decide that this behavior is ok.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
            " denying the information every cell in their body has"
            I actually have no idea on the science, but I'm content to focus on my own cells and body and respect others' rights to be let alone.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 1 year, 6 months ago
    I can't wait for the logical consequence of the males allowed in women's bathrooms idea. After enough women are attacked in public bathrooms and the courts are unable to rule because of he-said she-said evidence, who will be the first to propose cameras be installed in women's bathrooms?
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    • Posted by jdg 1 year, 6 months ago
      I would expect the same result as from the current wave of men being expelled from college over false accusations of rape -- which is that men in position to be accused now routinely record audio and video of all their interactions with the potential accuser. It's the only way to deal with a system that presumes guilt.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 6 months ago
    "I wonder what Ayn Rand/John Galt would think about this silliness."
    In the time of AS, media was limited. Now anyone can start website, blog, video channel, or podcast.
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  • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 1 year, 6 months ago
    I am so happy to say this. Along with TV I have zero zip nada contact with social media. ESPN I know what is a Kurt Schilling? Never mind it's rhetorical humor.
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    • Posted by Exitstageright 1 year, 6 months ago
      I'm pretty convinced that social media will be a similar downfall to current civilization like lead plumbing was to the Romans.
      I Avoid it like the plague, because it appears to me those that use it experiences brain leakage. Not to mention job loss. But then again, if your job is at jeopardy because of a "tweet", maybe it's a sign that a career change is in order.
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