I appreciate the use of the word ignorant. Too many people aren't aware of it's true meaning. And free speech seemingly no longer extends to ignorance or bias. But I take some exception to Bundy's actions being illegal. Studying the history of the land and it's use, he was well within his rights to complain when the blm broke their contract with him regarding how his fees would be used. He did not have the sense to take a lawyer to court with him back in the '90's and lost his case. But besides all our opinions regarding this case, the blm could have gone about this differently and much earlier. By letting this go for so many years, they gave him prescriptive rights to graze. The blm was not going to pursue this matter until a green group got in their face and demanded action to save a no longer endangered tortoise. The blm could have put a lien on his private property. The rest of the world does it all the time. A deal could have been struck between the state and the feds regarding collection and depositing of the payments. I am not advocating any of these measures, simply wondering why they decided to get so heavy handed. I wonder about the conspiracy theorists who think this was a dry run to find out how much fight we the people have in us. But finally, he is the last rancher in the area, the rest have been driven our or bought out. Only a few miles away, good old reid was smiling away at an opening ceremony for a solar panel project with the local Indians. It all simply stinks of corruption and agenda 21.
I didn’t mean he was a dinosaur because of his age but because his opinions are dated. He was quite comfortable with the word Negro, but that word hasn’t been in usage since the sixties. For most people under thirty, he would be seen as a racist because they have been taught that kind of language is unacceptable. We say ‘black’ or ‘African-American’. Younger viewers would have to be reminded that that speech was not at all offensive in it’s day. It was the polite word for most of the 20th century. But who is going to point out to the mob the mistake they are making? That’s what any liberal political PR machine would want to exploit. It was very, very easy to paint Bundy as a racist and also, very, very, wrong.
I agree with most of what you said...but he's only 69-hardly a dinosaur. there are plenty of gulchers that age or older who are savvy, well-spoken and highly intelligent. This guy lives a remote, ranching life. It's duck dynasty redux
I read the New York Times print story and they didn’t edit out his words, however, the online video that went viral was edited, or more to the point, only showed his enflaming comments.
It shows to me that the minions are out in full force to distract from the bigger picture of government over-reach and are hoping to make use of this isloated old man’s dated opinions to their advantage in a political war of words. I kind of blame FOX for putting this man in the limelight, interviewing daily, even though it was plaintively obvious Bundy didn’t have an awareness or depth of understanding of the questions that were being ask of him. Hannity asked Bundy how he felt about being referred to as a domestic terrorist and Bundy responded with a soft laugh and replied he guess he was a terrorist then wanted to talk about how pretty the moon had been the night before. (It was the morning after the night of the lunar-eclipse) I might be mixing up a couple clips, but you get the gist: Bundy doesn’t. Any sharp PR person could see how to use this naivety of ‘how things work' to their advantage. Who did the one camera man and reporter work for that set-up this private interview? Did they sell the story to the New York Times or did they work for them? If they didn’t work for the NY times, did they work for a political action group? What were the prompt questions that led to Bundy's ramblings now being referred to as rantings? Nobody will be able to get a straight answer out of Bundy because he lacks guile and he doesn’t think that way. I think he was setup and FOX should unravel how this interview went down, instead jumping ship like the rest of the rats. There should have been at the very least a witness to the interview. Maybe it wouldn’t have happened. Maybe someone more savvy could have been looking out for Bundy. They fed this guy to the sharks.
Well said! Actually Rita Hayworth is relevant, she starred in one of my favorite movies, "Pal Joey" with Sinatra, and was married to "Citizen Kane" star Orson Wells. Actually, I used to use the White House website, before they took it down, and daily reminded BO he was NOT Black and did not know what it was like, and spent less time as a child with Blacks than I did as a white. I knew from the pre-election where this government, and their nose up the butts media were headed. Hillary started this race division crap back during Bill's terms. It is nothing more than the Alinsky method of setting groups against each other for their gain. The politicians are the racists, using minority groups to make themselves even richer.
He saw what he saw in his life, and it came out in the words used throughout his life. The liberal's Politically Correctness Monster has so corrupted our society so badly, that we need to have a speech writer or a lawyer by our side at all times out of the fear that we might offend someone or some group. This is just wrong
A Facebook repose by Col. Allen West related to this:
"Just boarded the plane heading home after speaking at the superb Values Aligned Leadership Seminar. I heard the comments made by Cliven Bundy. Sir, your words were offensive to me and the proud legacy of my family. There is no dignity in purposeful dependence on the government for sustenance, but there is also no Indignity comparable to slavery."
I don't think the uproar had anything to do with the word Negro. I think it had everything to do with the picking cotton reference and slavery. He could have made his point in a much more effective way.
Who would have expected any less? The media would be amiss to let an ole-fashioned, shit-kicker like Bundy, out-do them, and actually get a couple words of truth and common sense injected into the conversation. Thus, they must return to the sorry old stand-by of divide-and-conquer-through-racism. I don't think Kira Ayn is the only one able to see through that ragged old veil.
His family claim to the land use extends before the BLM even exited. He contends that if he has to pay anyone it would be his State. Also, who the hell is the Fed Gov to confiscate a State's land in the first place?
To my recollection, the men on horseback making that line against the BLM looked to be of several races. It is not as if he had an Aryan enclave at his ranch.
These people were willing to go up against Authority on his behalf. Perhaps they did not think of Bundy as a racist...
Wherein I point out that slaves in the antebellum south had job security (like the gov't is pushing for), food, shelter, and healthcare... all provided by another in exchange for authority over their lives... like the gov't is pushing for.
And this is different from what this administration is pushing for all of us under their not-so-new collectivist society... how?
Oh, yeah, no scenes of bullwhips snapping or obnoxious foremen shouting, "Your name be Toby now!"... But if you like, I'll be happy to show you scenes from Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Elian Gonzales kidnapping...
The media is a willing and in fact enthusiastic propaganda arm of liberal-progressive ideology. It should be assumed from the beginning that they will distort anything to further their pro collectivist agenda.
If you watch the unedited video, you get more of a sense that he is not bigoted. He is trying to say that the government is keeping them in slavery by the handouts that the government does and they are no better off than they were before. It is interesting on how the liberal media, yes, you, the New York Slimes, distorts things to get the results that they want. Yes the conservative media, what little there is, does it also but not to the same extent that you do. I agree with Ms. Davis and I believe it put it very intelligently for what it is and that is a distraction from what is being done to this great country by our politicians. Yes, both parties are complicit in the fact. I call them the Big government Party. It has 2 wings, left and right, but the all grow the leviathan that we call government but some call nanny or sugar daddy.
I have a question: who owns the land that Cliven Bundy was grazing his cows on? I'm not trying to bait anyone here. This is a serious question. I honestly don't know. Depending on the news source, the answer seems to change.
Some people say that Cliven Bundy owns the land, and that the Federal government was violating his property rights by telling him to leave and seizing his cattle when he didn't. But other sources say that the Federal government owns the land, and that the government was therefore justified both in telling Bundy not to graze there, and in imposing fines and penalties when he did.
Given the importance of ownership and property rights in Objectivist and Libertarian thought, shouldn't we make sure to verify who actually owns the land?
I seriously doubt that Andra Gillespie knows of what she speaks. Its just that the initials behind her name lend credence, for those who would believe that such things really matter, for whenever she opens her mouth to spout the current PC lines. Of course, you'd find that piece on CNN, that's their kind of drivel. And that a professor said it makes it even better to publish.
yes. Because those on the statist side will vilify him and anyone associating themselves to him. It has already happened - Rand Paul and Ted Cruz have already been criticized for supporting his efforts because of CB's stupid remarks, with the insinuation that they must also be racist.
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It shows to me that the minions are out in full force to distract from the bigger picture of government over-reach and are hoping to make use of this isloated old man’s dated opinions to their advantage in a political war of words. I kind of blame FOX for putting this man in the limelight, interviewing daily, even though it was plaintively obvious Bundy didn’t have an awareness or depth of understanding of the questions that were being ask of him. Hannity asked Bundy how he felt about being referred to as a domestic terrorist and Bundy responded with a soft laugh and replied he guess he was a terrorist then wanted to talk about how pretty the moon had been the night before. (It was the morning after the night of the lunar-eclipse) I might be mixing up a couple clips, but you get the gist: Bundy doesn’t. Any sharp PR person could see how to use this naivety of ‘how things work' to their advantage. Who did the one camera man and reporter work for that set-up this private interview? Did they sell the story to the New York Times or did they work for them? If they didn’t work for the NY times, did they work for a political action group? What were the prompt questions that led to Bundy's ramblings now being referred to as rantings? Nobody will be able to get a straight answer out of Bundy because he lacks guile and he doesn’t think that way. I think he was setup and FOX should unravel how this interview went down, instead jumping ship like the rest of the rats. There should have been at the very least a witness to the interview. Maybe it wouldn’t have happened. Maybe someone more savvy could have been looking out for Bundy. They fed this guy to the sharks.
He’s not a racist, he’s just a harmless dinosaur.
http://www.infowars.com/unedited-video-s...
Actually, I used to use the White House website, before they took it down, and daily reminded BO he was NOT Black and did not know what it was like, and spent less time as a child with Blacks than I did as a white. I knew from the pre-election where this government, and their nose up the butts media were headed. Hillary started this race division crap back during Bill's terms. It is nothing more than the Alinsky method of setting groups against each other for their gain. The politicians are the racists, using minority groups to make themselves even richer.
"Just boarded the plane heading home after speaking at the superb Values Aligned Leadership Seminar. I heard the comments made by Cliven Bundy. Sir, your words were offensive to me and the proud legacy of my family. There is no dignity in purposeful dependence on the government for sustenance, but there is also no Indignity comparable to slavery."
Just because you have some stupid and even odious opinions doesn't mean you have less rights than anyone else.
These people were willing to go up against Authority on his behalf. Perhaps they did not think of Bundy as a racist...
Jan
http://humanachievementinitiative.wordpr...
Wherein I point out that slaves in the antebellum south had job security (like the gov't is pushing for), food, shelter, and healthcare... all provided by another in exchange for authority over their lives... like the gov't is pushing for.
And this is different from what this administration is pushing for all of us under their not-so-new collectivist society... how?
Oh, yeah, no scenes of bullwhips snapping or obnoxious foremen shouting, "Your name be Toby now!"...
But if you like, I'll be happy to show you scenes from Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Elian Gonzales kidnapping...
Some people say that Cliven Bundy owns the land, and that the Federal government was violating his property rights by telling him to leave and seizing his cattle when he didn't. But other sources say that the Federal government owns the land, and that the government was therefore justified both in telling Bundy not to graze there, and in imposing fines and penalties when he did.
Given the importance of ownership and property rights in Objectivist and Libertarian thought, shouldn't we make sure to verify who actually owns the land?
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