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Cliven Bundy no racist, as unedited video clearly shows

Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years ago to News
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So, the NYT selectively edited the video. Go figure. A negative light shed on a person who wants limited government and freedom! Who will not back down from a fight from an overreaching fed agency. Start a smear campaign against the guy. That's the ticket.


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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years ago
    While not goats, caring for 23 foster children over the years can certainly be a bit of work.
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  • Posted by Wanderer 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Robbie;

    I don't know how well they'd perform, but I like them all. His jovial demeanor, Georgia accent and southern speech patterns disguise the fact that Cain's actually a fairly smart cat; BS mathematics, MS computer science. They're all smart and accomplished and they'd get my vote.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    they already do -- must be the luffing jib! -- j
    p.s. not a reference to a jib crane, but a jib sail, and luffing is oscillating in the wind ... things are just so complicorny!
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Carson is a bit too limited in his understanding of the whole world view, but I'd certainly support him for HHS Sec (if that cabinet post continued to exist - personally, I'd eliminate it).

    Here's a possible Dream Team:
    Pres: JC Watts
    VP: Condy Rice
    Sec of Treas: Walter Williams
    Sec State: Alan Keyes
    Att Gen: Dale Wainright
    Sec Def: Allen West
    Sec Ed: Michael Williams (with the instruction of eliminating the agency)
    Sec Commerce/Labor: Herman Cain
    Sec HHS: Ben Carson

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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Condy is associated the Bush, so would be vilified.

    Other than skin color, sounds like Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman.
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  • Posted by 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh my goodness, that truly cut to the heart of it! I don't think she exists, but add to that some Native American ancestry and you have a winner. I've been enjoying reading the comments, and was glad to see the development of the arguments, which must logically stem from the laws as they exist. Truly not as one would wish them to be, but wishes are not actions.
    The only person who could pull this off might be Condolezza Rice. Maybe. She just needs to start raising goats.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    That would definitely be an interesting take on it. Although there are a few black onlookers in the video, it does appear as though it was filmed in a predominantly white area. Whether or not the results would change in a predominantly black area is a good question.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    If the video was truly an experiment we would be able to compare the reverse--black onlookers, white and black thieves.

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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    For a moment, I thought that you were defining Obama, but then you added "Objectivist" and implied that he or she was actually working for a living...
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  • Posted by Wanderer 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Strug;

    Our hero's got to be bullet proof; eloquent, educated, probably female or transgendered, definitely not Caucasian. Think we can find an Objectivist nonCaucasian female Harvard grad running an organic goat ranch on BLM land?
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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    You are making a very good point - the States do need to assert their constitutional rights. They don't. Not only the States, but more and more of us willingly fall under the heel of the federal tyrant. Maybe Bundy, in a somewhat ackward manner, will be a catalyst for this to happen, although I'm not holding my breath.
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  • Posted by Wanderer 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Strug;

    I believe what I wrote is: your interpretation would be laughed at by EVERY Supreme Court Justice. It's obvious no one, including the founders, interpreted the Constitution to mean the Federal Government couldn't own land within a state. From our founding the Federal Government has owned land outside DC. All that was required was the state's acceptance of such ownership. Nevada's Territorial Legislature accepted 85% Federal ownership at the time it became a state. Wyoming's Territorial Legislature accepted 49.5% Federal ownership when it became a state. Not only did Nevada's Territorial Legislature approve, the US Congress granted the Territory's wishes as regards to their borders, taking land from Utah and Arizona. So you see, at the time of statehood the necessary Constitutional requirements were met. Everyone involved agreed. The fact that we wish they hadn't doesn't mean it was unconstitutional.

    I am not changing the Constitution, nor did the founders, shortly after the convention think they were changing it by acquiring various state lands for Federal purposes, because those Federal purposes made sense.

    Many years ago the Federal Government acquired land containing strategic minerals. Recently the Federal Government acquired large tracts of private land in southern Colorado. Some of the ranchers objected, but the Feds used eminent domain to take the land. The Feds weren't being malicious. The newly acquired land will allow the army to move from Fort Carson to much cheaper, more remote ranch land, allowing for development of the prime front range real estate it now occupies, Colorado did not object, so those ranches became Federal property.

    I sense this is the real argument here; you wish the states would object, had objected, but they didn't. They have made and continue to make Federal land ownership constitutional by not objecting. Your argument is not with the Federal Government, it's with the States.

    The way forward is for States to petition the Congress to sell the Federal land contained within their borders and not necessary for the Federal Government's purposes, as it did for most Midwestern states. It worked in the case of the Presidio. It will work in the case of Fort Carson. However, for some lands I predict the Congress will refuse, because the mineral royalties derived from said lands are huge and the Federal Government is broke.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps we need a definition of "racism." If the preponderance of people arrested for a certain crime happens to be black, is that racism? If the cops search out balcks specifically to arrest, then yes, but if what whatever reason the preponderance of offenders happens to be balck, is that still racism? I see as many black cops as white and I see plenty of black judges. So, I don't see where does racism come into this. Oh, yes, you can say that a particular white cop has an attitude towards blacks, and there are black cops that have an attitude toward whites. So what? But in total, I don't see a specific racist direction in the "war on drugs." Please don't take anything that I'm saying here as supporting or defending the "war on drugs," which I do not support, but I don't see it as racist.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    wanderer,
    I agree with the solution, but there is moral imperative behind ownership of grazing rights. Those rights have a bound and the BLM not only denied those rights to be exercised they tricked ranchers into handing them over in exchange for consideration that was not delivered. It's a complicated situation and discussion. Thanks for your information. Hope to see you contribute on other posts.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Good information; I was not aware of some of the details you presented – thank you. So, the issue comes down to whether the fed government can and should own those lands. You think that my literal reading of the Constitution is laughable and that, presumably, the Constitution needs to be modified with the changing times. Fine, but then why limit such modifications for only a selection from the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? For example, political correctness is a fact of life in the current United States – does that make it a legal basis for limited freedom of speech and only in the “free speech zones?” And those black, ugly, threatening looking “assault” weapons – those need to be eliminated. And search without probable cause – well, it’s for everyone’s safety. Need I go on? There is a constitutional process to amend the Constitution – but that was not exercised with regard to land ownership. It has been accepted and now sets a precedent, true, and if the laws are based on precedent, then it only takes one illegal act gone unchecked to collapse the entire legal system, which is what, incidentally, has been happening ever since Lincoln. The above is my “legal” take on the situation, but it is yet another matter altogether with regard to the moral issues – Harry Reid’s profits and the use of the paramilitary for civil issues. I think that one must be a seriously perverted to socialist to find any defense for the federal government’s actions on this basis.

    And I agree with Robbie that nothing that he or I said in any way indicates that the federal government could not buy or otherwise acquire land. But they need to be transferred to a state or be a semi-autonomous territory (like Puerto Rico or Guam) and not a wholly owned property of the federal government. Keep in mind that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were not written to give rights to the subjects; they were written to expressly limit the rights and powers of the federal government.
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