I reject his racial comments. NYT didn't have to pull any tricks to make his racial comments look back. BUT that is poisoning the well. It's a subset of ad hominem. The controversy he's involved in has nothing to do with racism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_...

Who actually are you talking to? I reject his comments on race, but that doesn't make all claims he makes wrong.

Take your hate somewhere else, bigot.

Infowars must visit the gulch. :)

Hey LS, I got a laugh from this. I called Beck a Judas Goat yesterday, then just now found this from a couple days ago. Guess we're not alone on Beck by any means.
http://www.infowars.com/judas-goat-glenn...

When I've got time I read posts and comments here in The Gulch. I'm not always impressed, but I've never before been disappointed and I've never before felt moved to comment. I am disappointed that the discussion has descended to the "your thoughts don't matter because you're the wrong color" level. It's the prime tactic employed these days by those on the losing side of a rational argument and, how could one endure a thousand pages of AS if one were not rational and honest? I wonder whether some here might be liberals masquerading in objectivist's clothing.

The world would be a better place had Cliven Bundy taken a speech class. His remarks on race, the nanny state, and land use verge on incoherent. He's right, the welfare state saves the body while killing the soul, but most of the soulless within our welfare state are white and mentioning race causes people to miss the point.

Regarding Mr. Bundy's land use thoughts; what exactly are they? I can't understand them and I'm from a western state. Western states were formed from land the Federal Government purchased from Mexico at the end of the war, and later via the Gadsden Purchase. Mexican citizens who owned land were allowed to keep it, but all other lands became the property of the US Federal Government. The Government then sold or granted land to propel settlement of the West, but most western states were at one time almost entirely Federal property. Some remain so, and because of this fact agencies like the Forest Service and BLM wield immense power in those states. Whether those agencies crush us or not depends entirely on the executive branch. Six years ago Federal land agencies were mostly benign. Under this administration those some agencies have become very aggressive in wielding their fully legal power to deindustrialize and depopulate large parts of the west. Deindustrialization may be motivated by the anti-carbon agenda or an attempt to punish political opponents, but I don't pretend to know why the government seems to be depopulating large areas. If I figure out the answer to that question I hope to express it better than does Mr. Bundy.

Gods hairy balls! You weren 't objectively offensive. This guest is well aware he is manipulating you into not having the conversation. The war on drugs targets EVERYBODY. Violent crime is the fault of individuals and is immoral. Drug markets without violent crime is another story. The statistics show high young black male violent crime. If you are committing violence against another you are not the target you are targeting others.

He had already talked to him on the radio and then got annoyed that Bundy didn't recite a story he told him previously (about the lord intervening when he was going to take his tractor out and mow down some of the blm's signs...the tractor quit. Figured it was God telling him it wasn't his job to do that... so he turned around after the tractor miraculously started up, headed back and then told everyone else to go mow down the signs)... Bundy avoided the tractor story when he was speaking on Beck's radio show. Soooo since Beck wanted him to tell that story to shine a less than good Mormon light on himself (because Beck hasn't liked Bundy from the beginning...I'm guessing because he's not a good mormon) he then, after the racists crap started, unloaded the story about the tractor AND the about the faith editor too. Beck thinks the ranchers shouldn't have had guns on them during the show down either..um.. that was the whole entire point, Glenn! That man is in a fog of faith or something.

Here s the thing. All over the news, in our politics, against groups because of the color of their skin we hear about the black community this and the black community that. Not alot of talk out of eric holder about individuals and their rights but groups and their rights. If on one hand you want to say you are not black therefore you can not say anything about them I say you are not part of the tea party therefore you risk being a bigot for generalizing if you make an observation about them. I'm happy you have a loving and productive family. But the black community which forces its agendas and claims of constant racism and victimhood - thanks to holder obana sharpton and jackson means the black community needs to look within itself as to where the greater crime is. 50 % young male incarceration rate is significant. One would be irrational to suggest there is NO cultural component unless you see yourself as an individual first and black -well why is skin color important again? Notice my distinction regarding culture not race. Am I racist for bringing up facts? Cuz that's intended to shut me up not to have a real disscussion. Btw I would never say to you you can' t discuss a caucasian because you aren 't one. Secret handshake much?

Mine came here to escape a life of serfdom, only to find that because of a vowel at the end of their surname, they saw signs posted in yards, "Dogs and Italians keep off the grass". That never deterred them. My grandmother saw to it that none of her children would speak Italian. They were Americans now, and HAD to speak English. No concessions. They worked hard and succeeded. Even in the face of ignorance. In spite of it. I don't presume to "preach" to anyone as I have not experienced their life in their shoes. I do not condone, however, being lumped into some bigoted category because of my skin color. It's irrelevant. We here should be wise enough to know that does not matter in a rational discourse.

Aren 't you kinda painting us all with a broad brush too? How do you know "our" ethnicity. I never announce mine. What I find significant is that you have identified yourself with many groups and the one most interesting to me is that you are a progressive. Which begs the question: why are you on this site? If you had read something about the Bundy issue from a reputable source you woukd have known that for generations the Bundy's provided infrastructure for that land. They thought of it as somewhat their own due to grazing rights. RIGHTS. One of the reasons the dispute happened was the BLMs promises to take over the infrastructure never happened. In fact they took the money and then told the rancher he had to reduce his herd which would severely impct his business. Where else would they graze? These were long standing agreements between the govt and the ranchers. But you choose to see him as a freeloader or worse a thief and ignore the facts. Then you cast a nice big shame on you. Rmcd why are you here?

Honestly. Grow some, Beck and go speak to the man face to face. Maybe you'll learn something about a man who works his ass of for a living.

Where did I classify any group, or insult them? I merely related what my friend told me about his own experiences, to illustrate there is no "type". Both white and minority groups have some who find excuses for their failure to achieve goals, while others choose to use their energy and initiative to be successful. I grew up in the South, and had relatives who only wore shoes in the Winter, so I do know of what I speak.

Please re-read your own comment - objectively - and you will find it full of bigotry and racism.

I have a sympathy with the feeling behind the comment of rmcd1957 but disagree on some of the details.
I cannot see how Bundy is a clown and stealing, he is not well educated but he is productive.

As for 'a great White Hope', as an outsider I would like to see more of Condo Rice, Ben Carson,
Herman Cain, Allen West, Thomas Sowell especially, and many others of this type of 'white' who
have been mentioned on this site with approval and admiration. .

To liken us here to stormfront is well, ..
Yes, it is too easy to find some common characteristic in those who have sunk into permanent welfare without intention or hope of improvement.
What most on this site are against is the policy of the governing class of making themselves feel good but not helping and making it worse. Blacks whites pinks get caught.
Well done - to those who have pulled themselves out.

Yesssss! Ben Carson / Allen West would be a good 2016 ticket; just fine with me!!! -- j

well said, NMA! Clive was lamenting the fact that the government has effectively taken away the purposeful lives of many people, rendering them aimless bums enslaved by the government dole. the note of extreme sadness which I heard in the edited version, however slanted, is fully evident in the long version. -- j

I've always thought that Beck is a Judas Goat for the conservatives and religious.

Yes. How dare Bundy be annoyed by that. Good for Bundy to say if Glen wants to question me he can call me himself. Faith editor...???? Oy