How to combat envy?

Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years ago to Culture
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In Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution, Rand makes her famous statement about envy being hatred of the good for being the good and says that we live in the Age of Envy. Of course, she is right.

If any society is to be worth living in, it must recognize good as being good.

1) Why are some people envious?

2) Why do societies tolerate envy?

3) What can one or more of us do, if any of us considers it to be in his/her best interest, to foster a society that thoroughly rejects envy?

I understand that the vast majority of those in this forum are not religious, and I am not trying to convert anyone with the following argument. However, when most Americans were churchgoing, envy was stigmatized as a deadly sin. That stigmatization long kept envy as a minor issue in America. Now that America is largely secular, we live in The Age of Envy. Rather than pursue Objectivism, most Americans that have gone secular have lost an appreciation for how destructive envy is. Perhaps this is what Dennis Prager meant in the blog that khalling started recently.

I am willing to live in a secular society, but not in one that condones envy.

4) Without forcing Objectivism down people's throats in the way that Christianity was forced upon people, how does one achieve a secular society that still stigmatizes envy?
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years ago
    Envy did not spread due to a lack of religious influence, it spread as a consequence of preaching altruism, which cannot be consistently practiced and causes resentment and guilt for not practicing it. Religion also preaches an ethics of duty over value and causality, extolls faith over rationality, and condemns pride and self-interest. Religion has been the problem, not a solution.

    The basic virtues of the Objectivist ethics are the antidote for envy and resentment. It's not a matter of forcing ethics on people; ethical ideas spread like any ideas. Religious duties were spread by preaching them, not just the brute force enforcing them against what was accepted as guilt and irrational fear of fire and brimstone threats. Better ethical ideas based on reason, value and causality provide the reason to reject envy.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      I agree with most of what you said. The one thing I disagree with is that envy "spread as a consequence of preaching altruism". While religionists do preach altruism, the connection that you made is not clear. The only ones who preach altruism without simultaneously condemning envy are irreligious.
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      • Posted by ewv 8 years ago
        The resentment and envy results from people who think altruism is the good, inconsistently follow it themselves, and resent the successes of those who are not altruistic -- which is the only way to achieve success.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years ago
          If what you mean about envy being "spread as a consequence of preaching altruism" is an argument for envy being "acceptance of the unearned", that I could agree with. When most people discuss altruism, they discuss it from the giver's perspective rather than the recipient's perspective.

          If that is not what you meant, then I think we will respectfully disagree on this point. I will continue to think that envy has very little, if anything, to do with altruism. Envy is much simpler than that. Rand's definition is admirable:

          Envy is hatred of the good for being the good.
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          • Posted by ewv 8 years ago
            The resentment is against those who defy altruism. You aren't supposed to earn success, you are supposed to sacrifice. They resent the achievement.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years ago
              That really is a stretch.
              The envious do resent achievement, but altruism never crosses most people's minds when they envy, and neither does sacrifice.
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              • Posted by ewv 8 years ago
                No, it is not a "stretch". It is a consequence of altruism, as explained, not a doctrine. Altruism doesn't have to cross their minds. An emotion is an automatic response to the values one holds.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years ago
    Maybe we have to start from scratch...with the young ones through demonstration early in school.
    An honest and aware media would help also.

    I think that the high points of Christianity ( no mysticism) can be reformed in a conscious, quantum physical way, and in Ayn's biological objective way. Because both abhor envy and endorse rational self interest...I know, you might disagree about the last part but it was the church, the organization of it that adopted Socrates - altruism, self sacrifice, not the teachings and the history. Aside from the history, much of it can be discarded...
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