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'1 more nail in coffin of global-warming deception'

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 11 months ago to Science
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Rainfall and drought extremes predates fossil fuel economy.
One of the biggest problems with making time and history linear is an absolute failure to account for the natural cycles.
Ancient man was much more aware of these cycles than we are today and they could plan accordingly. This is a major failure in modern society.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 11 months ago
    We need to stop thinking the dialogue on the alarmists' side is based on science. We know some of their figures were fudged. The UN has admitted they don't care if it is wrong, the goal is to control people using these false claims. It is not real science, it is an attempt to take property, lower the living standard of developed coutnries, until all are equal with nothing across the globe. It was a hoax and it reamains one, with a few cats like Gore getting rich off of it. Watch out when your community starts spouting , sustainable cities" - they are coming form your property rights and freedoms.
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  • Posted by jpellone 7 years, 11 months ago
    Lets step back a few years before the Global warming craze. I'm sure you all remember the big deal about the holes in the ozone at the North and South Poles. The blame was R-12 or some of the chemicals in it.

    I got into a pissing contest with a scientist online about the causes of the holes. I am not a scientist or do I claim to be one, instead I am a logical thinker.

    His argument was that a chemical within R-12 (which is many time heavier than air) was the main culprit. I asked him how a substance that is many times heavier than air could possibly ever get to our ozone layer and his answer killed me. He said that the substance would be pushed by the wind until it hit a mountain and it would go up to the ozone layer??? My thinking is, then why does it take millions of pounds of thrust to get something out of Earths atmosphere???

    Here is my thinking on the lack of ozone at the north and south poles (they say the hole at the south pole is bigger than the north pole. The Earth spins constantly, there is atmosphere all around the Earth, the spinning of the Earth is causing the holes at the north and south poles similar to spinning something under water. Of course there will be a hole because of the vortex generated by the Earth. The reason it is bigger at the South pole is because of the Earths wobble. The wobble at the North pole is very small but up to I believe 7 degrees at the south pole. Wouldn't the wobble at the south pole create a larger vortex?

    I also have a theory on earthquakes but that's another story. What do you all think?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      I like your thinking and science gets it wrong most of the time...turns out that there is an abundance of natural aerosols in the upper atmosphere and you are correct R-12 could never get up there...it also turns out that the holes in the ozone layer are a natural occurrence and not a result of anything we do on the surface.

      I have a little saying that everyone should take to heart: What happens in the troposphere stays in the troposphere.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 11 months ago
    Think you have a nail?
    The High Holy Church Of Climate Change is forming an Inquisition of 16 Democrat attorney generals to punish all naysayer heretics.

    http://dailysignal.com/2016/04/04/16-...
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 11 months ago
      I'll see you in jail, allosaur. The trouble with this can of worms is that by denying the free speech clause in the first amendment to people who disagree with you is that eventually someone might disagree with you about something and punish you. Free speech is not so much about your freedom but protecting the freedom of the people who disagree with you.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 11 months ago
        Up until now, wanting econazi climate change hucksters in jail has never crossed my mind.
        Okay, it just now crossed my mind.
        I know it is wrong to jail people who disagree with me.
        Why?
        I have read the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights!
        Old Dino just doesn't know what's wrong with those econazi wannabe free speech suppressing commies.
        Oops, on second thought, maybe I do.
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 11 months ago
    for several years the facts surrounding global warming have been shown to be totally false, and this adds to it. however, it is all falling on deaf ears with respect to the likes of "0" and he has a bigger audience plus the ears of the looters around the world who want our money to ward off the global warming they think is happening in their respective countries. so the question is how do we manage a 4x4 against their heads to get their attention?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
    In keeping with their phony claims skip the coffin go straight to cremation.

    Any farmer and most farmers almanacs use those cycles, it's the city slickers and poison Ivy leaguers who haven't a clue.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      Correct...but also, there are greater "Grand" cycles...upwards of 26K years and even a few beyond that...knowledge of such hasn't really stayed in touch with the cycles of civilization or as a Neothinker would say...anti-civilization.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
        Farmers Almanac never failed us. warm years, cold years, rainy years, dry years. Didn't Ben Franklin start those with Poor Richards?
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
          Yep...and that's how we found out about the Maunder minimum, a 400 year grand solar minimum cycle which produces colder weather overall. This is what we're headed for now!
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
            that would be the mini ice age which is slated to lower the average temperature one degree celsius for about two hundred years. As far as the rest is concerned even if it were true all it means is Canada grows more wheat, the USA more tomatoes, northern Mexico bananas or the opposite. Different varieties of plant life move with the weather. Nothing new there and they already exist. Hardly anything to worry about except increased AC production or conversely heater production.

            Net need for fuel increased by population more than anything and sooner or later we'll wake up to the fact that the safest and most economical way of delivering fuel is through electrical transmission lines with production plants at the source of whatever they are turning into fuel...added to cleaner less polluting burning methods and that doesn't even touch on nuclear. There's one of your Spencerian sentences. Don't diagram without help from a professional of age 70 or older.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
              Actually that cycle was about 70 years globally...1650-1720.
              The Dalton minimum was only 30 years in duration and many put that in a 100 year cycle.
              This cycle has other things going on that will complicate the situation. ex. magnetic pole wandering...some wonder about a reversal...but we haven't had one in 780K years, I do not fall into this camp; the cycle changed for some reason, we don't know why and therefore we can't predict if it will happen again. The poles seem to constantly wander, sometimes more severely than other times.
              We expect that the weakening of our shields and a shrinking atmosphere is a response to fewer flaring sunspots.
              If you go to Adapt 2030 on youtube you can view the climatic changes in real time in places we do not hear about in the lamestream. He views them first hand, he's in the coffee bean business and needs to know this stuff.
              We are also finding that the desert areas on earth are beginning to green up and the traditional growing areas are becoming less hospitable for growing anything. Soon wheat and corn crops will be vulnerable.
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      • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 11 months ago
        Some Wheeler's drought clock stuff on how weather patterns affect history.
        http://cyclesresearchinstitute.org/cy...
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
          Makes sense now that I/we(general) are beginning to realize that these cycles are driven by the sun; through electromagnetism, plasma or CME's. These events not only effect weather, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions but the Human brain as well. (animal life also).
          A simple example: a localized event...atmospheric charging occurs; at best, it can effect one's reaction time, (as studied in the mid fifties in relation to massive car accidents) or, let's say one lives on the edge of a severe psychological problem, these events can send you right over the edge. Recently it's been realized that if your in a plane and fly through one of these areas, during these events...those vulnerable might suffer a heart attack or stroke.

          For the rest of us not necessarily at risk it might induce negative thinking, anger or despair...even one's own judgement about decisions.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 11 months ago
    Good points. I have been trying to dig into the physics of this for a bit, to get to the bottom of the assertion-by-correlation. ALL recent computer models include water vapor. It is well established, and taught in Climatology classes that the CO2 levels alone are wholly inadequate for the temperature increases we see. Models all include a feedback mechanism for water vapor. Correlating the water vapor to CO2 and viola! man-made global warming. Let water vapor follow another variable/relationship...oops.

    Backing into relations without first principles is like physiognomy! Maybe instead of taxing CO2, we can tax people with big noses or bums on their heads.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 7 years, 11 months ago
    When Fivedollargold visited Myrtle Beach in February, the beaches were in the same place they've been all of his 62 years. When Fivedollargold visited El Paso in May, the desert was still desert. When Fivedollargold watches the forecasts on OANN for Hawaii, the temps are still predicted in the 70s - 80s range. Just a few observations.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      Funny they've been trying to claim it was over for good ole mother earth even before the fat lady (in this case the sun) had begun to sung---[ok-sing...]

      Now that baby's singin...
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    • Posted by BenFrank 7 years, 11 months ago
      I've read articles that say the Inuit elders are pretty insistent that the sun no longer sets where it used to. They report that it is affecting the ability to navigate in the old ways. Others say that is all hooey. I've read that there is evidence that the poles have shifted before as well as evidence that some of the worlds major rivers have flowed in the opposite direction. Does any one think there may be validity to the idea of the poles shifting? Or that the "changes" we are experiencing could be related to such a shift?
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
        Yes...the poles are wandering which has happened before and the current natural climatic changes have also effected ground water accumulation and has caused earth to tilt more to the east of Greenland...and yes, our great dam projects have had their effects not to mention the movements of Japan cause of there last big earthquake.
        I was remarking just the other day that at this time of year it should not still be light out at 8pm est...and my boss noted that the sun rise is moving more rapidly toward direct east than usual...there are many things happening at the same time this grand cycle that will confound our understanding of what happening.
        Seems the ancient Mayans predicted this: "things will happen that have never happened before and never will happen again."
        It would logically seem that they were referring to natural cycles coming together that had not before and will not happen like this again.

        No fear, be safe and aware.
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        • Posted by BenFrank 7 years, 11 months ago
          Thank you for the information. I might be more concerned if I lived near the coast like Inuit who are being more directly impacted at the moment. I first read about the pole instability right after a very dramatic earthquake experienced in Chile. It didn't occur to me that the dam projects would impact polarity but I could definitely see where an argument could be made. I certainly wouldn't want to be in the path if a dam such as the Hoover gave way due to extreme seismic activity. That being said it still goes back to the natural cycles of the planet which occurred previously without the help of a human industrial revolution. Really interesting subject!
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
            One thing...Magnetic pole movement and earth's tilt are two different things...we spin on our weighed axis...not our magnetic poles.
            Yes the subject matter is really intriguing, it's not a single subject...it involves many disciplines.
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            • Posted by BenFrank 7 years, 11 months ago
              It seems there are a large number of scientists and engineers on this site. My background is Liberal Arts. I don't know if it would be efficient for you to explain the difference between the axis and polarity here but perhaps you could recommend some reading material on this for the "layman"? I really would like to learn more. I've always been fascinated by how our environment and technology effects society and the possible causes that prompt human migration.
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  • Posted by jetmec 7 years, 11 months ago
    In the age of the dinosaurs the whole earth was a temperate climate, Nature is trying to revert to that enrolment, Something the oil and energy companies don't want ( no need for heating!)
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      If you want "temperate" then you need more carbon...the whole reason plants and reptiles were so big is because there was an over abundance of carbon in the environment...but besides that, #1 oil and natural gas are Not fossil fuels...that was a fallacy, #2, carbon only accounts for .03% of our atmosphere. #3 it is not the energy companies that are fueling the climate debate...that is between honest people, honest scientists, those that study cycles and the Kakistocracy- governance by the worst and least qualified in society, not to mention highly compartmentalized and/or crony scientist that are in competition for Your money in the form of grants redistributed by government.
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