Navy Resumes Celestial Navigation Course

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 11 months ago to Technology
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Remeber the issue with the US Navy boats and the Iranians? This was why they couldn't figure out where to go, and the Navy is just caging the reason as "increased threats" They had stopped teaching a basic nautical skill, and found out "gee we really do need to be able to sail without technology when the bad guys screw us". Proof old skills are not always well replaced by new gizmos.


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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Taking a cue from Captain Nemo, eh? Would he then set up a base on an uncharted island and there keep the aircraft he used to fly the annual gold shipment in? I always had the impression his ship was aircraft carrier and battleship rolled into one. Rand didn't exactly explain everything clearly. (Though come to think of it, the People's State of Portugal might not have been able to hold the Azores. The facilities on those island might have fallen into disrepair--leaving the island wide-open for a modern-day privateer to occupy them, develop them, and fortify them.)
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Uh, no. BUt then, he also had a vested interest in staying undetected, which with satellite technology may be an issue, unless he went submerged. Which is probably the route a modern day Ragnar would use.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have never found a specific reference to that item, if he was, and sought asylum, I am sure they buried it all.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder if the sailor who jumped off the k-19 refusing to be "cooked" got rescued by the American ship? I wasn't very impressed by that whole "doing their duty" thing, especially for a bankrupt system like russia
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, however, make no doubt about it. K-19 was a true story.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...
    We knew all about it, down to the probable causes of the incident. Their Gen1 nukes were badly designed, rushed into service, and they had no real training programs in place. The normal system was for conscripts to replace the crew 50% at a time, you trained your replacement, so the knowledge base decreased over time. K19 was such a horrid design, that they had a lot shorter span The untrained officer had been trained by his predecessor, so overall he did pretty good for what he knew.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is exactly what has gotten people so disgusted and untrusting, but not knowing what to do.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. I watched the cnn town hall with trump and family. It was great in spite of Anderson cooper being an establishment hack. Watch it if replayed. You will like it
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  • Posted by Stormi 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump is the only one who speaks like a real person. i have this sick feeling that the establishment Republicans are afraid of his truth. I also fear they would rather lose and put Hillary in, as she will further their agenda of one world socialism. The establishment are not on our side. No more donations to Republicans!
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What I like about Trump is that he isnt politically correct. He just tells it like he sees it, which makes the establishment VERY nervous. Thats why there is the STOP TRUMP mania. It makes no sense to me otherwise.
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  • Posted by Stormi 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is all about brokering power and money. How did Obama get enough to buy a million dollar retirement home, based on his salary? Hillary tries to talk of being poor, yet she has multiple estates. Voting is a sham, we vote, they decide who bought the election. It has come to the point where both Dems and Republicans want one world socialism, no matter what they say, as they want the control over people so they can have power and money. Obama wants to take legal action against global warming non-believers, as with Hitler, the environment is a way to control people. You have to research every candidate, as your freedom will depend on who has any control. All we can do is raise a stink until it is not hidden.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I liked the movie "K-19", showing some rather stupid moves on the part of the Russians in an attempt to upstage the US in submarine and missile technology. At least as portrayed, they send in an untrained nuclear officer with pretty bad results...
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I watched CNN's "road to the white house". I came away from watching 3 episodes with a distinct dislike of our election process. First of all, its run by power brokers primarily. We are just the pawns that get the results of the paid for manipulations of the media. Sanders is right about it being crooked and run by the donations of big time contributors. The candidates only say what their handlers tell them will get them elected. THEN, once elected, they do what the contributors say (why else would they give 200 million to get a person elected to a $400k job !!!!). They all want benefits bestowed on them by the government at OUR expense.

    No wonder people are angry. Trump has it right, at least he is anti establishment and will at least try to break up some of the entrenched nonsense. I think he has pretty good business judgment, and once sitting down to make decisions he will calmly concentrate on what will work. He has my vote. The more the establishment trashes him, the more I want him (plain and simple). He has freed us from political correctness (at least me). I say whats on my mind now.
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  • Posted by Stormi 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hilary has made a mess of everything she has touched. Sanders at least is honest he is a socialist.
    Cruz scares me because his wife has become involved, meeting with lawyers in N.Y. She is pals with the world bank folks and was for the North American Union. Either Cruz is lying about his stand, or he is not strongly against her stand. Trump at least knows business and is outspoken. He has some catch up to do in some areas, but look what we have now, a guy who only knows Marxism! He says he is a Constitutional lawyer, except he lost his law license, and did not know how many states in the US when he was first elected! Whoever gets in will answer to the CFR, who vetoed Reagan's plans to kill the Dept. of Ed. , who had control of both one world Bushes, and have their fingers in everything. I shudder to think what an brokered convention would bring, but it would be a one worlder. They have got their last donation from us!
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As the country has gotten weaker philosophically, it has less to protect and the people elect pablum presidents. The president used to be the commander in chief of the military. How the hell would Hillary or sanders ever lead a military? Trump may not survive the establishment media onslaught , but he may well be the last chance we have to reverse our course and let America be great. He has my vote
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There have been deaths related to people following GPS, one in Oregon where a dude from a major tech website used his GPS to get stuck up a dead end logging road and dies trying to get help in winter. Proof positive,.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Money. They all do what they are told, which is why we have no real executive branch. I look on it more as the CEO answers to the shareholders, and WE are not in that list.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly, I am amazed the leadership (such as it is) was arrogant enough to think, what, no one would go for it?
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  • Posted by terrycan 9 years, 10 months ago
    Had no idea celestial navigation had been dropped as a requirement for a US Navy Officer.
    Had a conversation with a retired Navy man in the 90s. He explained that in a time of war the enemy would make GPS satellites a target. A functioning Navy would require a back up.
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  • Posted by Stormi 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not distinguish between Republican and Democrat past presidents for the most part, as most were not as openly hostile to the military as is Obama, That is just who he is. He either does not understand them, or he just is completely against the military. How the nation's defense is handled and funded may rely on Congress, but few if any have been so against it as Obama. Pelosi was disrespectful of the military, and Hillary has often spoken quite rudely to them. In comparison to the talks which JFK and RFK held with the military advisors during the Cuban crisis. Maybe it is the recent influx of presidents who did not serve in the military which is the problem. Maybe it is the anti-war candidates who resent the military and think we should become one with socialists countries, not resist. I just know, the military is decimated, we are no longer able or willing to defend ourselves or aid our allies. My brother retired from the USAF because it was becoming so political and PC. He knows military strategy, and felt it was being undermined. As to Johnson, he did not know what he was doing. As to the others you mention, were they students of history, did they read as JFK did and understand? HW iis a one worlder, he wants "1000 points of light", just as FDR was all into domestic programs which cost and continue to cost us billions. How many treated vets as throw aways? How many think of the military as our way to stay a free country, or do they think they just want to control us citizens, and not worry about those who threaten us, because they do not see socialist dictators or Islamic terrorists as threats, but as means to an end? How many presidents have taken Soros into the oval office, even though he openly has declared his desire to take down the US? Every president who has failed to maintain the military has driven another nail into the coffin of this country, and they all ought to be held accountable for it.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Especially since they are both in the same hemsphere. I got caught on the same rule contrary and anti-contrary.

    At sea though yiou need Polaris. The Southern Celestial point and Orions's Belt. the rest is done with your fingers or a home made sextant. for latitude. The leading star of the belt is always over the equator. Latitude is a function of distance Longitude a function of time. for that you need two watches. One set to Greenwich and one to local apparent noon. the difference in time translates to the distance from GMT. .
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The entire system is controlled by the US Military. They can geographically limit or degrade or encode the signal or just blank it out. Especially in a war zone. Which is as it should be.

    Emergency Navigation by Jim Burch of Starpath Navigation in Seattle WA which should be titled Traditional navigation contains everything a sailor would need. The rest are just add ons and if you can't navigate in the wood or mountains without GPS nor drive a car without GPS you have no business hiking nor driving. Stupid is as stupid does and if your life is that worth less then die.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I got led down a road which ended in a river wash one time, courtesy of gps ! When I backtracked I saw a number of other cars headed towards the wash and I could see their Gps screens obviously leading them down the path. I had to laugh and wondered about the mess that would happen if the Iranians disrupted the gps satellites
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