Cartoon of the week

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago to Government
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The drawing says it all. A Viable candidate for life is depicted but denied rights that something as common as an auto accident or not having it's brains sliced and diced as the head emerges depicts. Harking back to my Vietnam years it drum rolls in the background "Now who are the real baby killers?"

Happily the Courts agreed some years ago and stopped such barbaric acts limiting, which i agree fully with, abortion to the pre viability stage and turned their back on how to fit a prom dress as a reason to commit murder.

Fetus stage is roughly 2 trimesters or six months...Viable citizen with the right to be protected is somewhere in the third trimester. It's a medical decision and a human and civil rights decision in most cases.

Execution at that point requires lawyers, juries and the other trappings of a civilized society.

Her support of that alone should be Hillary 'Waddles' Clintonite's last gasp. What about the babies right to choose? What about the husband's right to choose?

Assuming Obama doesn't declare babies the subject of his 'suspicion of' version of our now defunct Bill of Rights.


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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This, I believe, is Rand's position as well.
    There are many reasons for abortion, most of them valid, but for us it wasn't an option. But the "for us" cannot be substituted as a "for you."
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The major issues in the upcoming election have nothing to do with the abortion issue, per se. Defense, Immigration, and economics are the true issues that must be addressed. If those problems are made to be under control then smaller issues such as abortion can be looked at. However, it is my opinion that the abortion issue along with a large number of similar issues are not the province of government at all, and should be settled by individuals as they see fit. Rational people will eventually see the right or wrong and it will be resolved. Nothing can be resolved among the irrational, and that is used by the left to their benefit.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not an apple tree until it produces apples. Nice but still misses the point. I'm betting 90% of the commenters will continue to miss the point.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Love your passion.
    I'd need a whole page or perhaps two in order to address your issues, but for me, the abortion problem is a sidebar and not entitled to anywhere near the time spent on it.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not at all. It's completely all about how easy it is to destroy any support unapproved supporters of non socialist fascist left wing candidates can be destroyed. Or in most cases deflected with a light breath of air. Watching this for a while will explain why we have lost the battle before the field is declared open for combat.
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    Posted by jpellone 9 years, 5 months ago
    If I eat an apple, then take a seed and plant it and as soon as the seed germinates and sends up it's stem and two leaves, I rip it out of the soil and throw it in the garbage, did I just kill an apple tree?
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The clown who downvoted that simple truth should learn something about Ayn Rand's philosophy and why she thought what she did. This is a forum for discussing that philosophy, not a place for ignorant dogma denouncing it.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Growing does not mean contradicting oneself and the facts of reality. Growing does not mean replacing what parts of Objectivism with religion that you feel like. Objectivism is Ayn Rand's philosophy, not whatever you want it to be. She explained why it is what it is. It is not "faith based" and it is not "dead". It doesn't "think it has answers none of us knows".

    You can agree or disagree with anything you want to, it doesn't make you an Objectivist who happens to be "non-standard". This a forum for Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason and egoism, not your "non-standard" religious "version" that is fundamentally incompatible. This is not the place for you to promote your religious anti-abortion rights and anti "selfish concerns" dogma or your stubborn ignorance of Ayn Rand, let alone in the name of "logic" and "growth".
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True. So was the father unit. But seriously how long do you think the abortion side issue will reign before they figure out I just pulled a classic L shaped ambush?
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Having an abortion to terminate an unwanted pregnancy is not killing a human being. You are equivocating between life and person.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no contract and no responsibility to have a child. There isn't any responsibility to separate from anything. It doesn't exist. Having sex does not mean consenting to your decrees.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The there is no person inside. There is a potential human being. There is no "contract". There is no "responsibility" to undo. Having sex is not a responsibility to have children.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no person. The concepts of 'guilt' and 'innocence' do not apply to fetuses and cells. You don't have a right to violate others' lives to "save" anything. Instilling guilt over selfish concerns is immoral.

    This is a forum for Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason and egoism. You should learn what that is.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no "contract". You made that up. No one is "shunning" your invented "responsibility". There is no "person inside"; that is fiction.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A baby is more dependent after it is born. Before it is born, it gets all of whatever it needs, even sucking the calcium from its mother's bones. After it is born, the mother can walk away and the baby can do nothing... for years... There's an old Jewish mother's joke: When does a fetus become a human being? When it graduates from law school. You want to believe that cutting the umbilical cord is some kind of special action that changes the essential nature of the human baby. No such bright line exists.

    If you are willing to allow abortion (and I am), then to be consistent, you must allow infanticide (and I do). As I asked rhetorically, when does your mother lose her right to take your life? When you say so? But not before? Maybe...

    You have a deep and integrated understanding of Objectivism as it was given to you, but you are only repeating a rationalism.
    Rationalize <= Rational Lies.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 5 months ago
    What I've done wasn't fair. It required some thinking contained in other comments in other threads but then if you think it wasn't fair you are going to lose and lose big.

    I just ripped the livig shit out of any chance you have to make a difference in the up coming election by exposing how easy it is to control the conversation and send people off on what for election purposes are meaningless fruitless tangents.

    You lose but Bernie, Hillary or Donald are going to win.

    The key point had nothing to do with abortion per se. It serves as a hot button issue that can and just did slice and dice any chance or possibility of a cohesive coalition to support whomever Cruz or Webb or Johnson or ...or ....or...

    One more time and I repeat..

    "My main issue is to attack the hardest issues head on and point out until they can be set aside albeit temporarily and a ....constitutional centrist coalition ..... which is my phrase and nothing to do with any other similar named groups, put together the splintered 46% will remain dog food for the left either republicans or democrats and that would be flushing the constitution irrevocavbly down the toilet.

    Quit Enabling
    Take Control
    Make Changes"

    But you nicely took the bait and went off completely controlled and directed with nothought to those six words. .

    Sucker punched? Yes. Ambushed? Yes Decimated? Hell no that's only ten percent. My unit's standards were do the job right and there are no names left to take.

    Too busy looking in the wrong directions....with, as near as I can detect, absolutely no interest in anything else.

    The worst part is most of the abortion debate was dealt with as much as it could be years ago.

    The main point is

    Quit Enabling - you didn't.
    Take Control - you won't
    Make Changes - not a chance.

    Now go think about it.

    We had a test question once which showed us how simple most solutions are. What is the easiest and most clandestine method to destroy a class 60 timber trestle bridge using the least amount of explosives?

    Some said there aren't any anymore, some said not enough to worry about, some said what's a timber trestle bridge. some came up (using dimensions provided) with 8 pounds of TNT. Those are the answers you gave in this boobytrapped discussion thread even after I gave warning in other threads....

    The answer is a gallon of gas and a match. both of which are classified as explosives.

    The answer to your dilemma is start working together accomplishing what can be done and quit providing aid and comfort to the other side. Form a coalition based on one idea and that's a return to constitutional government and a rejection of fascist socialism.

    Once that is done then use that document to solve these other issues.

    I'm still betting 95% plus of those voting will choose fascist socialism.

    Welcome to the world of realpolitik

    for if you don't hang together you will surely hang separately
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Again, thanks for taking the risk of being open in a potentially hostile environment. I prefer not to be so personal. I admire your courage.
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