I'm not following you. In the general election all states (except Vermont or Maine, I forget which??) are winner take all. So, according to you, what is the rational thing to do when the major parties both nominate detestable candidates?

Yes, I am sure the seas will part and the world will be a better place when the right guy comes along. In the meantime, you stand your ground...while the water level goes up. As for me, I will paddle and if a crocodile comes along I will have a go at climbing on his back. Hopefully the level of the water does not cause you to drown while you are standing on principled ground.

We have a choice between an original intent constitutional candidate and a crony capitalist

The crony capitalist has used tax schemes, imminent domain and bankruptcy. He has admitted to giving campaign donations to politicians with the intent that when he needs something he makes a call and they give him what he needs. Sound like Boyle and the gang from atlas shrugged.

Meanwhile the constitutional candidate has argued before the supreme court on constitution cases and won in favor of the constitution.

He is the only politician I know of that when campaigning told people opposite of what they wanted to here (he would do away with subsidies when asked about ethanol and corn crop subsidies)

But the second guy is bad because he is religious.

Rational or objective, not by any measure.

I was talking about the next cycle, not this one. And I said that the situation "could" be reversed. Nothing is certain because people have free will. But I do think that getting into the national presidential debate could potentially have an extraordinary effect. By your logic we are simply doomed. Why vote at all then?

He tried that in 2012. Your Republican friends wouldn't allow him to debate after the first one. He then wised up, ran as a Libertarian and got 1.2 million votes. 10%-15% of the vote! Wow that would be something, wouldn't it? That seems very unlikely this go around because of the enormous number of people like you who view it as a "wasted" vote. By the way, which progressive national socialist will be elected if I vote for Johnson? I lose track, there are so many.

As bad as Hilary would be, Trump would be worse.

They are both the same, the only thing that makes trump worse is that he will move the republican party even further away from small government and towards progressive libritarian

So let me understand....by virtue of the eloquence of whatever libertarian guy you get in to the debate, the 48 % of the population getting a federal cheque, will throw off the crack cocaine of their government largess and vote to reduce government. If I remember correctly Rand Paul was in early on and made barely a ripple. But I suppose he was not pure and Messiah like enough to get it done.

Ted Cruz has a proven track record in original intent constitutional values. In this election year you cannot say none of them, but he is the only one.

I have often contributed money to 501c3 orgs, political parties and to political candidates. I want nothing back but my freedom and to spread the word about freedom. Others give to get access and potential favors from government or to get special protections for their business or industry. The only way to stop the unsavory nature of this is to stop government from accruing power to grant such favors and protections. As long as there is such power money will flow to it as water runs downhill. If you think putting a rich guy in charge will change this you are naive. The lobbyists will find ways to try to influence il duce, I mean Trump. His cronies, relatives, henchmen and operatives will be besieged by those currying favor. The key difference with Trump is that, lacking any political principles or philosophy, he will have no screening device to eliminate those who seek to do evil to the country. He will listen to them all and will have no compass to guide him. God help us.

Unneeded correction because I don't think anyone really cares but I like to get things right.
When I was a kid I read that a stego has two brains.
Today I did about five minutes of research to learn that scientists once thought that but no longer do.

Congratulations. You passed the test. There is nothing Trump could say to dissuade you from supporting him., even advocating prison for engaging in activity you think should be legal!

Trump is more progressive national socialist than Hillary, he rivals Sanders and will make Obama look good should he become president.

This thread has much evidence to back that up, so does the article here, but some reason the pissed off angry people that support him are so blinded to anything he says or does that should be a warning sign that they refuse to see it, to see reality.

Cruz could have disavowed the ad against Trumps wife. He didnt, which means he was in on it

I have to say the whole presidential election is a circus and has been for a long time. Its pretty disgusting. Nowadays its run by the media moguls trying to knock down candidates to increase ad revenue.

First of all, a president shouldnt be a king who can just do what he wants and take from me to give to others. Thats the root of the campaign contributiones thing. I say the problem would go away if being president couldnt be relied on to violate ones rights to benefit another. No one would spend 200 million if there was no financial gain in the future

But my question was why would big corporate contributors give so much to a candidate. Its because they want something back in terms of favors. Trump and Sanders even told us thats how it works, and its disgusting. As to why Trump would spend his money to run- first of all hes got it and wont live forever, and maybe, even maybe, he really wants to see america great again. Maybe he wants to be a big shot too. I cant say I am inside his mind. BUT, he says things that need to be said, and is against the establishment and political correctness. WE need that for 4 years to shake up the system.

I dont think abortions should be illegal. BUT, if you are going to make them illegal, there should be punishments for violating the law. What you do with your own body should be your business period, whether you abort a baby before it can sustain itself, decide to suicide rather than go thru excruciating pain, or eat chocolate, smoke cigarettes, etc.