Very distressing prognosis for our country to be sure. And we are paying these teachers to do this to us.

The young don't accept socialism logically. There is no logical way to arrive at submissive slavery except from Christianity and that is by subordinating oneself to someone else's belief. .

And why was there not a place in the Gulch for Eddie Willers? His fate in the book is unknown, as he was left stranded on a remote prairie trying to fix a locomotive.

She and Eddie would have married and named their kids John and Dagny

a plot? . heroic people? . success and failure and
credit and responsibility? . how radical ! -- j
.

And yet the concept of socialism is so offensive to nature that Mother Nature herself actually gave him the bird!

I wonder how many of those same would digest and love some 'similar story' written by someone they didn't associate with Rand, thus circumventing their preconceived notions of her work.

Logically the young accept socialism. They spend an increasing amount of their lives as students. With minimum wages, many of the old jobs that kids used to take are unavailable so many of them haven't worked. They get everything they need from their parents, or government grants or even borrowed money that they have no sense of how hard it is going to be to pay back when they finally have to get work.

And some of them, at the end of this education become teachers where the product of their labor is unmeasured and their success does not depend on producing anything. These are the ones who communicate to children how society should work.

So at 20 something, they've spent their entire lives in a socialist system taught by people who spent even longer in one.

Ayn Rand once said that she cast herself as the fish wife in the Gulch. The fish wife was a writer in the outside world who insisted on putting plot into her stories.

What concerns me a lot lately is the popularity of the Bernie Sanders ideas (plain out socialism) among the young people (the product of our schools and universities). He claims to be a socialist, which used to be a bad thing, but is now OK and even praised openly. If it were 4 years from now, he would win handily against Hildebeast. But HE will be too old by next election. I think however socialism will take over officially by then.

In the 60's it was worse. People just smugly ac-
cepted that the leftist argument was the only one.

"Murdered"? She committed suicide.--Of course,that could have been a sort of murder, see-
ing how she was driven to it.--Yes, I think there
would definitely have been a place for her in Galt's
Gulch if she could have gotten there. She was not a great industrialist, nor a genius, but one
guy there told Dagny that outside he had been
a truck driver, but that that was not what he had
wanted to remain.--I think she was kind of
like Eddie Willers.

That is why one should be careful for what one wishes. I do not see that living in what is a gated village is any better than living in a country with a wall around it with need to ask permission to leave and return. As one who hates being forced to have background music, as I have for years from a resort business several blocks away, I could not choose to live in the Gulch with Richart Halley's concertos blasting through the valley. In my case, the noise law is written in terms of 'public peace' which seems to mean that unless the public as a whole does not riot about the noise, then all you can do is sell you property and move. There is no way that the resort need pay for its economic externalizations. In the Gulch it would appear that it would be best to get out of there. Even like minded individuals have ideas about behavior of others and will have Gulch rules or laws and councils about conduct, fees or taxes, etc. The Gulch would become like religious enclaves but with philosophy rather that religion as the enslaving agent.

she killed herself. she was not murdered

she was the "salt of the earth" producer whom Rand
praised in so many ways -- from Eddie Willers to the
"bum" on the train, from the "fish wife" to the technicians
in Hank's mills -- they belong in the gulch! . I would dare
to suggest that the gulch should be the u.s.! -- j
.

Most government schools ban this from required reading or book reports ...

Without forums like this and the works of Ayn Rand and others- what would we have but MSNBC and CNN and FOX to just make us more and more depressed. I dont want to be totally isolated from things, but its really bad to listen to the crap that gets put out by the media and the socialists. They lie, distort, pander, andmanipulate- anything but present reason.

Whether it is Cheryl Taggert, or Elmer Fudd, I think that a person should be welcomed into the Gulch, which is, after all, a virtual geographical location. The person(s) will soon realize if they fit in or not. If they are in the Gulch merely to be antagonistic, or to proselytize, they will quickly find themselves surrounded by various residents only too happy to grind them into a fine powder. Not that I recommend that, being a calm, wise, old gentleman.

I'm sure she would have needed more than her good looks to be admitted entry to the Gulch. That was a place for thinkers, not for mere "lookers."

Not to worry, though. Cheryl Brooks was no airhead. She would have done well, I'm sure, as Midas' administrative assistant.

Of course. She was pretty.

Right. Lawful residents, that's what they were. Or if you like, invited guests.

Yes. In any of a number of minor roles. Galt's Gulch had two classes of residents: the big job creators, and those who worked for them, and not necessarily in their former professions. Consider the economics professor who became a lineman for Richard McNamara's utility contracting operation. Perhaps Cheryl might have become Midas Mulligan's private secretary. Who can tell?

Yes. She thought like members of the Gulch but didn't understand why. She was just coming around when she took her life.

Lets not call them citizens.