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The Republican Crack-Up Revisited

Posted by khalling 8 years, 1 month ago to Politics
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Very interesting analysis of the struggles within the GOP to stay as a meaningful party. From the article: "Put another way, there has been no basis for Republican unity in principle, except perhaps for a strong national defense. However, on matters of domestic policy, constitutional limitations on government power, economics, immigration, trade, civil liberties, individual rights...on just about everything you can name, Republicans are all over the map. There's no single principle, let alone broader political philosophy, that holds the party factions together."


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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that since trump has no contributors he has to pander to, I think you haven't heard a lot of specifics because he is interviewing for the job by showing his capabilities and general directions. If elected we will see him pick very qualified subordinates and advisors to give him specific and timely information upon which to make decisions. We have had 8 years of a pretty incompetent historically black president who hired pretty incompetent advisors. If we get Hillary, it will be more of the same plus she will attempt to hide what she does. Foreign affairs will remain the mess it has been. She will be the historic woman president. Neither black skin not female gender are qualifications for president. Trump will get respect from foreign countries. To that extent he probably can make America great again. Internally all he can do is get government out of the way of business and perhaps be some sort of inspiration to businessmen to keep on trucking until you overcome adversarial events. I don't know if he can do that, but I can tell you Hillary will do the opposite.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    He ran as a Republican in 2012, before he ran as a Libertarian. He got some good voter support, but was frozen out by the RNC, as were the Pauls.

    No. The way to win those voters now is as an LP candidate, or maybe an independent. The GOP has ceased to be useful. It just needs to be put out of our misery, the sooner the better.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    So long as we are allowed to campaign for less government, doing so makes us a faction. I don't see that forming one, or a party, would make us corrupt; though we would be well advised to keep our eyes on one another.

    For as long as I've been alive, there have always been two groups that "control" the Republican Party -- its small-government base, and those politicians and lobbyists who see it as a vehicle to use to exchange money for political favors. Unfortunately, the inevitable incentive trap means that the latter, corrupt group is always going to have more money, and so is going to control the party unless and until the members can combine to elect an RNC which has higher priorities than raising money. (The Kochs are an exception, big contributors that don't favor the Trump types -- but they've helped the LP before and will again.)

    I believe it is high time to pick this fight right now, winner take all, even though it will probably mean the money interests win. Because the GOP without its base will no longer be a major party. The hard part is getting most of the base to leave it in the same, worthwhile direction; I see the LP as the best of a bad set of choices.

    Face it, whether we do this or not, Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president. But with a Republican Congress she won't be able to do much more harm than Obamination already has. And meanwhile we're going to be building the juggernaut that can move the Overton Window the right way, for the first time in 80+ years.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct regarding Hillary's stated evil intentions. The "some reason" I attribute bad things to Trump is what he has said so far regarding specific issues. There is precious little meat on those bones. This leaves us to speculate about what his actual political philosophy might be (whether it is consciously or unconsciously held) and then extrapolate to figure out what policies he would attempt to implement. I don't like what I'm hearing from him on 1st Amendment, tax and general economic issues. On most other issues I don't trust him because he has reversed positions so many times in the past and seems like a generally unpleasant fellow. That shouldn't be the test for president but he leaves us little choice.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
    Well you have attributed all evils to trump for some reason. I hope you are right about letting Hillary off the hook. She has sworn to raise minimum wage to at least $12, to increase taxes and eliminate capital gains treatment over $250k (,more than doubling the taxes on selling almost any business) she will cripple the gun industry and erode the 2,nd amendment and make obamacare permanent.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I am glad to provide you an opportunity to vent your frustration. It certainly is in your best interest, and it provided me enough entertainment to be in mine as well.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    By writing treatises on the subject, both you and Rand have made a career of trying to change the underlying philosophy. May you have a successful career, db. I bought the 2nd Rangar book recently. I probably won't read until the summer, though.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    You are right. Trump "speaks his mind" all right. Obamacare? What exactly would he "replace" it with? Oh, that's right, HSAs and cross boarder insurance. That's all he has spoken his mind about. He has, indeed, labelled any ideas other than his own as "politically correct." Stripped of any content that is just a smear. You are correct that it is unlikely I will be water boarded. Much more likely Trump will attempt to "open up" the libel laws as he has threatened in order to close down forums like this. As to Hillary, you seem to be sure that she will tax me more than Trump. I'm not so sure at all. Remember Trump has the 45% tariff (tax) ready to go. I happen to like some foreign goods.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The large non profit foundations! Carnegie, Rockefeller, Guggenheim, Ford . They control the media, the Universities , the diplomatic Corp.

    They vote them in because the alternative is even worse.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The trump haters just bring up all sorts of horrible possibilities to denigrate him and keep people from voting for him. Compared with the other alternatives that have a chance of actual election, Trump is not a bad choice. He speaks his mind and will take down some of the insanity like Obamacare and political correctness. Its so unlikely he is going to "waterboard" YOU compared with things Hillary would actually do that its not worth worrying about. Hillary will take a lot of your money, and probabaly bail out wall street again with it, destroying the currency in the meantime.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    All we need to remember is that he has "a very good brain" and has "said a lot of things." Problems solved.


    (^sarcasm^)
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Really I see it in my interest. Rand saw it in her interest. No one is paying me to expose the nonsense of Austrian Economics. I certainly hope it makes a difference quickly, but I don't want my kids or grandkids to have to put up with this nonsense and the damage it does.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    it is so funny that a lifelong democrat would get the Republicans to cave in to his fascist plans-if we can even say he has plans.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I usually choose the first letters of the username. I'm not sure you would be happy with IRS :)
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The two party "system" you refer to is not in the Constitution. It has been created by the two parties themselves to hold power between them in perpetuity. Don't give in to it by supporting their cronies. As to Benito Trump, I think he is more dangerous than Clinton if for no other reason than he will likely have a Republican Congress. They may cave to his brand of neo-fascist authoritinarism. Where that will lead, who knows, but it won't be pro-freedom, that's for sure. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be water boarded ("or worse") while being forced to reveal the identities of my objectivist/terrorist acquaintances.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I am doing my LAST business now. It gives me the cash and time to invent things, but I wont commercialize any more of them just to feed the statists. I resent heavily having to pay taxes already, just to support the 1 out of 7 in Nevada on food stamps, to support the government indoctrination centers (schools) that are the worst in the country and dont educate any of my children, to support god knows what with my $700 DMV tag fees and the $650 state business license fees for which I get NOTHING. I am one of the angry people that Trump talks about for sure. We are getting fleeced by these government types and all we get is one lousy vote in a few elections that gets diluted and discounted by millions of unwashed intellectually bankrupt votes. So there, I ranted and got it off my chest. I will say that Trump has done one thing for all of us- he has freed us from the shackles of political correctness. I say what I think nowadays.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Who will come up with the time and money? It would take huge amounts of both. Sorry for the cold water, but....
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the suggestions. I think I will dig through some youtube videos the next time I am feeling a bit lazy :)
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