Jeb Bush: Crossing the Border Illegally an 'Act of Love'

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years, 10 months ago to Politics
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Its one thing to be compassionate and another entirely to be an idiot. When will American politicians care more about the American people?

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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We don't need comedy at this juncture. To delay a real recovery at this point would solidify the ruination of this country.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that Emigration should never be illegal. I will definitely side with anyone who is not in jail/parole being able to leave the country at whim (and I will be glad to listen on the idea of that statement applying to people who are in prison/parole...I wobble a bit on this idea). Entering a country is a different matter: Immigration should be restrictable and restricted.

    When illegal immigrants get here, however, I suspect that most of them go to work doing jobs that welfare-absorbing Americans will not 'dirty their hands' doing. One of the reasons that illegal immigration continues is that we have created a social ecological niche for it.

    Jan
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  • Posted by 12fretter 11 years, 10 months ago
    This comment: "...Personally, I don't think immigration should even be illegal in the first place. People should have the freedom to live wherever they want..." is the DUMBEST thing I ever heard. People already have the freedom to do it, provided they do it legally. Illegal aliens in this country aren't even TRYING to do it legally. And politicians only see them as a voting block, nothing else.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Only", income tax? What about free education for their kids (who then have to be taught English by the school), what about free lunches and a myriad of other freebies they soak up? (Food stamps, wic, free clinics......)
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  • Posted by 12fretter 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Which is EXACTLY why we need the FairTax. MAKE illegals pay "income" tax by making them pay consumption tax. Works on drug dealers, tourists, politicians and the entire UN delegation.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I absolutely agree, AJAshinoff. Any sensible country would restrict its immigration such that producers would be given priority and moochers would be barred at the gate. In this country, it is completely the opposite. As messed up as our government spending is, the immigration situation may actually be worse. I have literally mentored several hundred international students who wanted to stay in this country and would have eventually been worthy of being invited to Atlantis; of those, maybe a handful got H1B visas.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    err..what is the point of boundaries if no one give a damn about them.. eg. the Mexicans. There are upward of 20 million illegal aliens in this country right now, the majority from Mexico.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There would still be clearly defined boundaries. However, they would simply be marked with lines drawn on a map, rather than with physical walls built of concrete.

    And I said nothing about doing away with law, so I don't know where you're getting that from. I'm not an anarchist.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maintaining a superior standard of living is easy when every individual is free to keep the products of his or her own labor.

    Fear of other cultures is called xenophobia. Besides, culture is a constantly shifting and fluctuating organism, anyway. It never remains the same for long, regardless of what you do. Trying to maintain it is folly.

    If there is an epidemic in a particular part of the world, limitations and screenings on immigrants from that region may be imposed until the epidemic has passed.

    Not sure what you mean by resources. Do you mean natural resources like coal, iron, lumber, oil, and so forth? Or are you referring to more insubstantial resources, such as labor and education?

    There's plenty of space for everybody. Concerns about limited amount of available real estate are unfounded.

    If a foreigner has no intention of harming you or stealing from you, I don't see how his deciding to come and live next to you in any way violates your natural rights.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    says who?

    A country is private property. The owner is the people of that nation. The fence line is the border. Who comes on and off your private property is YOURS to decide. Simple.

    So, you aren't for private property?
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You should have lived next to a family of illegal aliens as I did. My mail was stolen, my cable was stolen, trash all over my yard, they dump oil in their soil before they left and ruined the home they lived in for only 6mo. They lived there on a mortgage and never paid the loan once. What they GIVE in no way makes up for what TAKE.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How about maintaining a standard of living?
    Maintaing a culture?
    Maintaining health?
    Maintaining resources?
    Maintaining growing space for future descendants of current citizens?
    Protecting the natural rights of their citizens?
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    Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are two, and ONLY two valid reasons for which a nation may limit entry to foreign immigrants:

    1. The nation in question has a public welfare system, and the total wealth of the entire population would be depleted if just anyone were permitted to come in and partake of the public funds.

    2. A particular group has a long history of violent behavior, and allowing them in would put the nation's citizens at risk of physical harm.

    To deny entry to immigrants for any other reason besides these two is irrational, and could potentially border on tyrannical.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Technically, even illegal immigrants still pay a sales tax whenever they buy something. It's only income tax that they don't pay.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
    Personally, I don't think immigration should even be illegal in the first place. People should have the freedom to live wherever they want. Taking even a single step away from that ideal is a step towards tyranny.

    However, I do recognize that immigration to welfare is not the same as immigration to jobs and opportunity. No people can ever maintain a prosperous society if they cannot keep the fruits of their own labor.

    "A free nation has no fear of open borders. But a welfare state is frightened of every poor person who tries to get in, and every rich person who tries to get out."
    ~ Harry Browne
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Any sovereign nation has the absolute right to set entry quotas or deny entry to whoever they wish for whatever reason they wish. Its is at that nations sole discretion. Oh yeah, we're talking about the United States.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hmm I think not paying taxes is an act of love for my family who deserves a more comfortable life. How far would that fly, Jeb?
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Too late. The bought-and-paid-MSM is warming (more accurately: lubricating) the public for getting used to J. Bush '16.

    Now that the Elite have put Hillary in a bind over the Benghazi debacle, this means another Bush will be in. Oh, I won't be voting for the first time in my life on this one. The Venezuelan voting machines are pre-rigged, so it won't matter how many people vote for x, the elite will have their puppet in the WH, no matter what.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The path for legal citizenship has quotas that get limited because of all the illegals that come here. Consequently the time for someone to become a citizen by following all the rules is so long that there is no way that an employer can keep a good international employee under an H1B for that long. International producers are effectively kept out. My current boss had over 2000 literature citations in the 12.5 years he had to wait before getting citizenship. I was here for that entire time. He went to at least 10 meetings with what is now the Immigration and Naturalization Service during that time. It was harder than dealing with your average Division of Motor Vehicles. I hadn't seen Rand's new article. With a name like Rand, you would think he would get it, but you can't pass down objectivism genetically. Each individual has to come to that conclusion for himself/herself.
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