is there a movie in which elk bag us?

yes

I don't think it was luck. I believe a philosophy that supported individual achievement developed.

Use the least strength that works well enough, but don't suffer unnecessarily. Brief use of stronger medications for a specific need until you recover is in your self interest.

The success of this country based on a culture of reason and individualism, in comparison especially with primitives, shows that the so called "sophistication" of tribalism and mysticism are a dead end.

Darwinian evolution does not say there is an instinct specifically to "explore" with such actions as climbing Mt. Everest. There are no innate ideas or predestined "achievement" towards and "unseen goal", and a desire to survive does not mean dangerous, extraneous mountain climbing. Survival requires exercising your rational faculty to decide what to do and figure out how to do it.

Herb, we all believed that. What Iwould never have believed was that we would be dependent on Russia in 2016 to get beyond our atmosphere. But our welfare programs are alive and well!

If you think this forum supports creationism you are very mistaken. This is a forum for Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason and egoism. Ayn Rand rejected all forms of the supernatural. The "argument from design" is a logical fallacy. You can explore ancient civilizations as much as you are interested, but you ought to be trying to understand Darwinian evolution. You have still not overcome your Catholic indoctrination.

my wife worked as a hospital "floor secretary" for
many years (20 plus) and can tell a tale. . doctors
chasing nurses when she was obliged to keep mum
and other such stuff. . many practical jokes. . her
immune system was strong -- hospitals are where
the sick people go. -- j
.

I could carry on the rant for a few paragraphs more, but I'm appreciative of being able to get that one off my chest.

next time, please get to the point! -- j

ha ha ha!

Doesn't change my point. We could get into the argument of instinct versus reason, etcetc. But it gets very boring after a while.

OK, you got me. I have to confess. My contact with doctors ranges from friends, to mild dislike to an actual desire to torture. As to hospitals, they are one of the few places I actually hate. I hate the smell, the color of the walls, the beds, the lousy TV most of the doctors and some of the nurses. (I like most nurses, but there are a few....). I would rather go to an internment camp than a hospital. As to Dr. Feelgood, he can shove his hypodermic up any orifice on his body that's available, sideways until his nose bleeds.

Actually, other species do show willingness to take risks. There's a mother domestic cat famous for repeatedly running back into a burning house to rescue her kittens. Badly burned, she survived, to be adopted by one of her many fans.

As a race, we are easily bored. No other species exhibits that. We stave off boredom, even when it causes dangerous adventure. No other species will run back into a burning building, and be able to give you several excuses as to why.

I suppose it all depends on the degree of pain. So far, Tylenol and Tramadol have kept it a level I can deal with. But, there may come a time.....

Ah...back in the day when the best of the best tried and achieved their best...that's called conscious human empowered ingenuity.

Today...it's the opposite: the worst of the worst not trying at all and achieving the worst imaginable.

It's always amazed me...the left claims science on their side but their recent history (post JFK) has made science their enemy...we (old farts) lived these events, we were not as divided back then and Nothing was impossible unto us...It is our job...guys and gals...to remind humanity just how amazing we can be once we put our heads and minds together.

I had a vein-stripping operation, years ago, and got
percoset for the pain. . the doctor didn't want me to,
but I went back to work quickly. . the medics who
admitted me back at work let me go into the holy-of-
holies while still taking it. . very effective stuff! -- j
.

"For man, there is no rest and no ending. He must go on, conquest beyond conquest. This little planet and its winds and ways, and all the laws of mind and matter that restrain him. Then the planets about him, and, at last, out across the the immensity to the stars. And when he has conquered all the depths of space and all the mysteries of time - still he will be but beginning." - H. G. Wells

Interesting post. Thanks for starting the ball rolling.

Jan

It is a matter of great consternation that my 30+ year old son was born a decade after the last man walked on the moon.

Dr Z 99, I totally agree that Darwinism gets way to much credit for who we are and how we came to be with shoddy evidence basically unchallenged like man made global warming is today. I was raised a Catholic ,Had a Catholic education .
I always thought most of the beliefs were manipulative .But I also did believe in a Creator , not a Supreme Being that interferes or intervenes but a Creator with infinite intelligence offering endless possibilities to those who strive to attain goals and objectives. A Creator that used sound , numbers , and consciousness .My drive to explore has led to my interest in ancient civilization , sacred geometry as well as astronomy and has provide me evidence that confirmed my thoughts and convinced me of a Creator .I have been informed by you of a description that fits -Deist belief. I view Organized religion as manipulative and self serving in most cases.

I would like to thank all the Gulchers (posts and comments ) for furthering my understanding as well as educating me with your reasonable thoughts and knowledge👍👍

thanks Jan. interesting discussion

He had my records. I never took any narcotic, but he saw I was in pain. I guess he thought he was being empathetic.