Okay... I can't let the serial killer reference go. Do serial killers wear an ID stating their killer status? (Is there a ranking system?) Or is it fair to shoot anyone who comes into your home invited? I just want to make sure I understand the intricacies of self defense in maph' s school of justifiable gun usage analogies.

TOTAL!

Hate group...persecution...force. these are the words of the intolerant towards those with a different belief system. And how dare you compare life and death self defense with trying to redefine the definition of marriage. Out of your league much? Maph, you're a verbal bully. Fyi, this does nothing but make your cause unbecoming.

Nonsense !!!

Well, Robbie, I resent the minus click because AT THE FUCKING TIME, SEGREGATION AND SLAVERY WERE considered and defended as "logical."

They aren't any more. And as the anti-gay-marriage laws are crumbling before legal challenges (and Millennials who can't understand why old farts and religious nuts are making such a BIG deal with THEIR opposition,) all i'm saying is that the 'logic and historical' argument is still .... not logical.

Vote me up or down. I don't give a shit. Ban me from here and I'll just spend more time on things that are rewarding to me and my life.

By the way... 'union between a male and female' is LOGICAL???? Wow... Logical??? If you don't examine any premises for that 'conclusion,' shit... it's VERY "logical"... but if you do, it loses all its 'logic.'

Ciao.

Please define how marriage is a right - to anyone. Marriage is a social contract recognized by society in its furtherance for both legal and social purposes of society itself. Marriage between a man and a woman furthers society through the possibility of offspring that perpetuate society. To try to equate marriage to a homosexual union is to deny that very purpose in the first place.

You love to pontificate about bigotry and rights, yet you have no idea what you are even talking about.

I'm afraid you're right in your choice as much as I dislike such actions, but some can't accept that force and coercion are simply wrong, particularly when used against the mind and thoughts of others.

Re: Fred: "Your belief that the gay activists don't want to destroy Christianity is a denial of the truth presented by these activists in their actions almost on a daily basis. The attack on a Catholic church is just one example among hundreds. "

>>>> Wow, Fred. I would be really interested in your description or 'evidence' of any 'gay rights activists' DOING anything which looks like "trying to destroy Christianity."

If your faith, religion and belief system is so weak that the mere desire of a minority group to have equal legal rights throughout the US based on any kind of 'binding legal/moral contract' you really need to take a good, hard look at your faith.

Much in the same way, imnsho, as you bring up Islam, that any religion that is so insecure in its beliefs that they justify killings based on caricatures of their Numero Uno really is showing nothing but weakness.


I expect that you won't be petitioning your political or legal leaders to come up with a new term for that kind of 'bonding contract' which would be acceptable to you or "Christianity." I think that's a cop-out for a bunch of people who feel so 'threatened.' Offer a solution to the gay-marriage folks that wouldn't threaten Christianity. Or is your position the old one of 'Just Say No'? We know how effective THAT one was....

In the meantime, the 'attacks' on anti-gay state constitutional amendments and the findings that more and more of them to be 'unconstitutional' and being reversed or invalidated... well, that tide is rising and I don't think you or Christianity will suffer any tangible damage as a result. Only to your pride and only in your own minds' imaginations, but not in 'reality.'

Such is life. I voted against Amendment 1 in NC, and I've kept my lawn sign in the garage ever since. If the Amendment is nullified, i'm going to put the sign out in front of my house again. And i'm very patient in my waiting. After all, I've waited over 40 years of my own life to see Atlas Shrugged brought to the Big Screen.

Cheers!

And 'logical and historical' are REALLY stupid terms to bring to a discussion of bigotry, Rob...

Or do you want the 'logical and historical' labels applied to segregation and slavery, too? Up for that?

Maph... sorry I could only add back one upper.

Why are they a hate group? Is anyone who disagrees with you a hate group?

Do we have the right to disagree?

Blowback and legitimate criticism are two different things.