Papa Possum Gives Feedback to Mozilla

Posted by Eudaimonia 11 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And yet, you don't see the anti-gay marriage (a preponderance being those with religious leanings) demanding the ouster of Jeff Bezos.

    From the cited article: "Amazon.com’s C.E.O., Jeff Bezos, has weighed in on gay marriage, too, by donating more than $2.5 million in support of it."

    $2.5 Million vs. $1000. Who is the bigger bigot here?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How do you figure? Mozilla isn't a publicly traded company, so how could their stock drop?
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm primarily a consequentialist in my philosophical outlook, so yes, I actually do believe the end justifies the means in most cases. I would put certain limitations on that, of course, and there are some ends which are always evil, but for the most part, I do absolutely believe that the outcomes of an individual's actions are more important than the actions themselves or the motivations behind them.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A cause which was a hate group. Believing that it's right to persecute a minority group doesn't stop that from being discrimination.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago
    "Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated."[1] It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader,"

    Eich was discriminated against. Who else?
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  • Posted by Bobhummel 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dittos KH.
    Mozilla’s Chairman of the Board Mitchell Baker is a case study in the suppression of free speech.
    "Mozilla believes both in equality and freedom of speech.”
    No you don’t. You support the suppression of the freedom of speech if you don’t agree with the mind behind it. And you engaged in the destruction of an individual because his beliefs are not “equally” egalitarian as yours... in your opinion.

    “Equality is necessary for meaningful speech," Tell that to Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn or Martin Luther King. One was imprisoned in a gulag. Not much equality there, but that did not stop his pursuit of free speech and freedom.

    "And you need free speech to fight for equality.”
    So why are you killing it. If you don’t like the speech, or oppose someone’s support for an amendment to the California constitution (Prop 8) that won 52% of the popular vote, you must destroy them. You want to eliminate the opposition. They must be defined as evil and destroyed

    “Figuring out how to stand for both at the same time can be hard."
    No, IT IS NOT HARD! You just can’t be a walking taking contradiction. You can not be a person who seeks the destruction of life and productivity.

    This woman is a U C Berkley educated statist drone.
    Cheers.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A certain amount of blowback is inevitable in every fight, but that doesn't mean one should not fight.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's really too bad. I am interested in the discussion, but the ad hominem attacks are designed to silence opposition.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello Eudaimonia,
    He is strident in his belief. One thing: The First amendment (Religion, Speech, Press, Assembly, Petition etc.) was written to protect unpopular speech, assembly, etc. since popular speech... would need no such protection. Some do not recognize, and respect this in all of it's manifestations. Free association can not dictate forced association.
    That said: This being your thread, I respect your right to censor it.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago
    As I posted at 7:35 this morning, I was giving ample time for any posts to be read.

    That done, due to:

    Ruling Class superiority:
    * "To everyone who doesn't understand how civil rights work..."
    * "I have a question to everyone here who opposes civil rights..."
    * "...then allow me to educate you..."

    Defining freedom by what is convenient to him:
    * "To say that any and all behaviors should be permitted is not freedom..."

    Supporting reprisals against those who disagree with him:
    * "Take any action which helps to further or support a hate group, and you should be prepared to face the consequences."

    and Constant highjacking of other's threads -

    I will now be making use of the "Hide" option and hiding all of Maphesdus' posts on this thread and possibly any other which I might start.

    Maphesdus is free to start his own threads on how Brendan Eich or anyone else who disagrees with him is a bigot and deserves reprisals, and I urge him to do so.

    Thank you.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago
    I have a question to everyone here who opposes civil rights:

    Is it evil for a Jew to fight back against a Nazi? If a particular business owner donated money to a Nazi group, and that Nazi group then tried to lobby the government to have Jews stripped of their legal rights, would the Jewish community be at fault for criticizing that business owner for his financial contribution?
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago
    Expanding the concept of tolerance to include tolerance for homophobia is like expanding religious freedom to include freedom for Al Qaeda and the Taliban to oppress, rape, and kill women and "infidels."

    To everyone who doesn't understand how civil rights work, just know that when you defend evils such as homophobia in the name of freedom, to civil rights advocates, you sound no different than those Islamic terrorists who hijack the concept of religious freedom in order to defend their murderous cult.

    To quote Ayaan Hirsi Ali, "They will say it's because of my religion, and you need to respect my religion." The only proper response to such a stance, of course, is to say, "No, not if your religion involves killing or oppressing people. If that is how you want to behave, then you have lost your right to freedom."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O28opIDK...
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is interesting to me that YOU are accusing ME of doing this. I always am going back to the definition of words so we are on the same page and you are forever asking me to accept some new concept. OK, let's go with your definition. Gay activists *discriminated* against Mozilla and specifically Mr. Eich with the intent to persecute. and they won't stop there. see recent Slate article. the intent is to force companies, through boycotting pressure, to influence ALL of their employees (by coercive means-like threatening to fire or force out) how to contribute politically. again see slate article
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, actually I can identify what's wrong with O'care. As for Eich, I have no info other than he resigned on his own.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "To everyone who doesn't understand how civil rights work..."

    Quiet all!
    The mighty Maph is about to edify us!
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  • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Take any action which helps to further or support a hate group, and you should be prepared to face the consequences."

    Way to go with the slightly veiled fascist threats, Maph!
    The end justifies the means, woo-hoo!
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  • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What a pompous ass you are, really, Maph.

    Anyone with a different opinion "opposes civil rights".

    I am giving it until noon today, so everyone can have a chance to read your ridiculous, thread-hijacking accusations and rants, and then I am going to use the hide function on every single one of your posts to this thread or any other thread I start.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, only behaviors the mighty Maphesdus thinks should be permitted!!!

    Fight under this banner, friends!!!

    Onward, to Maphtopia!!!
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  • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "If you consider the use of the word in a bad limerick, then I can't consider you a satirist."
    You can consider whatever you'd like, Fred.

    "Furthermore, I had no knowledge of your original use of Gestapo since I was responding to Maphesdus' post."
    Exactly my point, Fred. Maph has a way of hijacking threads, which he has done here.

    "Whenever the words, asked to resign appear, it is simply a euphemism for fired."
    Which was also my point, Fred
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're arguing against my freedom to choose. I'm not arguing for the freedom to persecute.

    How can my choice to not participate at the point of a gun in someone else's wants, even begin to meet the definition of persecution except in your strangely convoluted logic?

    You want the freedom to be you - you've got it. Go for it. You want somehow to force me to do anything - pound sand.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Take any action which helps to further or support a hate group, and you should be prepared to face the consequences. Frankly, I would be more worried if our society DIDN'T harshly speak out against those who want to oppress minorities. Oppression and persecution should always be condemned. Those who defend Eich and his ilk are essentially saying that it is evil to resist against evil. Follow that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, and you can clearly see who it favors.

    The Nazis never would have been able to bring about the holocaust if the people of Germany had treated them and their ideas with public hostility and heated criticism.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Tolerance does not mean wanton and unlimited acceptance of everything and everyone. Tolerance simply means freedom from bigotry, ignorance, and prejudice. That's all.

    If you think the LGBT community is being hypocritical, then allow me to educate you on a very important but oft overlooked point, which is that tolerance only works if it's reciprocal. To extend tolerance to one who seeks your destruction is to submit to your own death.

    I'm sure even you could understand why the LGBT community would be unwilling to do that.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No one's arguing against your freedom to choose. The thing being argued against is your supposed freedom to persecute.
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