Ego Depletion: Accepted Theory in Trouble

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 7 months ago to Science
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This story from Slate was cited by Retraction Watch (http://retractionwatch.com/).

It is not that "all these pseudo-scientists on government money are frauds." For one thing, the original research was carried out at Case Western Reserve University, a private school, in fact, the "Patrick Henry University" of Atlas Shrugged. Rather, it speaks to the sociology of science. Science, no less than religion, sports, or business, is an artifact of human society. It is subject the same kinds of personal failings that are the equal and opposite of heroic achievements.

Identifying these failures is integral to the process, no different than a business dropping an unprofitable product. That product had champions who cited research before being able to show at least some market response. We all carry smart phones now, but how many failed PDAs (personal digital assistants) can you name from the 1990s?

Ego depletion may be real: it seems intuitively obvious that we can get worn down. Quantifying that may be intractable with our current paradigms. Objectivism might suggest a more robust psycho-epistemological model.

For the fifth year in a row, I judged our regional science fairs for senior high, junior high, and elementary schools. My area is Behavioral and Social Science. Across all of the categories in the Intel International, we always give the highest ratings to "original research." We never reward replication studies.

When I lived in Michigan and my wife worked at the U of M (Flint), I delivered two "Super Science Friday" sessions to middle schoolers. The second year, my theme was "CSI: Flint." Centered on junk science in the courtroom and police laboratory misconduct, I suggested to the kids that anyone with a head for science who wants to go into police work should consider working for an office of research integrity. Every major university has one. The federal government has several because they fund so much research. I have never heard of such a thing in the private sector.

Here is the original Slate article
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_...


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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And, actually,... yes, they did. I do not know about Faraday and Maxwell, but Newton and Galileo both were at times petty, conniving, mean-minded, and predatory. Galileo blundered significant points in mechanics. Newton failed to understand his own work in optics. But, then, we have some perspective from our here-and-now. It is important to separate the personality from the work except where those are clearly and causally linked. An example of that would be Newton's ability to concentrate on a problem, foregoing food and sleep. Thus, he worked through challenges that had stood for centuries.

    As for Michael Faraday, the only biography that I read (as a child) revealed the abuse he took while working for Sir Humphrey Davies. So, Davies, too, then, would be suspect as a scientist acting lower than his station, if you will.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ... though Einstein, apparently, did rush into print with all kinds of thin and lukewarm ideas. Even his retraction of the universal constant should have been retracted, it seems. And yet, publishing ideas and experiments testing them is what this is all about.

    I pointed out above, that even at the elementary school level, at science fairs we reward originality, not replication, testing, and falsification. This is the culture of science, to promote new ideas and new discoveries.

    Imagine what it would be like in a world operating on the opposite paradigm, one where only replication and verification were highly rewarded and novelty was always suspect. It would take a long time for the candle to replace the torch.

    Clearly, the proper path is not rigid adherence to one Kantian "idea" over another. I do not know how to encapsulate that "middle of the road" except to use the word "objective."
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not understand your point. Are you referring to the original "ego depletion" experiment? Are you saying that people with good self-esteem are able to focus better and longer? And you do realize that the story here is about the weakness of the original research, its irreproducibility.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand your reference to the works of Julian Jaynes. You are going to have to do more than six lines, however, if you want to tie that into this discussion. Parsing the brain, mind, and ego will require some good analysis and exposition. The first item, in my view, would be a definition of "ego." The Freudian definition that you use will not stand up to objective inquiry. That said, I agree that you have broadly circumscribed the problem. Consider the case of the hapless Otto Warmbier, the student sentenced to 15 years hard labor by North Korea for stealing a sign from his hotel room. (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nor...) How long do you think it took them to wear him down? What are your estimates of his brain, mind, and ego?
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We don't see Galileo, Newton, Faraday and Maxwell having behaved like this, do we?
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/...

    "Academics ‘regularly lie to get research grants’"

    "Scholars in the UK and Australia contemptuous of impact statements and often exaggerate them, study suggests"

    "...Academics routinely lie and exaggerate when telling funding agencies what impact their research will have, a series of candid interviews with scholars in the UK and Australia has suggested..."

    "Respondents said that future projections of impact were 'charades' or 'made-up stories'. As one UK professor put it: 'would I believe it? No, would it help me get the money – yes.'

    "Academics felt pushed into lying on their impact statements by the logic of ferocious academic competition, the paper found.

    “'If you can find me a single academic who hasn’t had to bullshit or bluff or lie or embellish in order to get grants, then I will find you an academic who is in trouble with [their] head of department,' said one professor in Australia.

    "Another Australia-based academic said that embellishment was about 'survival' in the research grant game."

    This is the corrupt ethics and political system side of the influence of bad philosophy in science as in everything else.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    http://qz.com/638059/many-scientific-...

    "[R]esearchers in several scientific areas have consistently struggled to reproduce major results of prominent studies. By some estimates, at least 51%—and as much as 89%—of published papers are based on studies and experiments showing results that cannot be reproduced.

    "Researchers have recreated prominent studies from several scientific fields and come up with wildly different results...

    "No one is accusing the psychologists behind the initial experiments of intentionally manipulating their results. But some of them may have been tripped up by one or more of the various aspects of academic science that inadvertently encourage bias.

    "For example, there’s massive academic pressure to publish in journals, and these journals tend to publish exciting studies that show strong results.

    “Journals favor novelty, originality, and verification of hypotheses over robustness, stringency of method, reproducibility, and falsifiability,” Hagger tells Quartz. “Therefore researchers have been driven to finding significant effects, finding things that are novel, testing them on relatively small samples.”

    "[I]n cases where researchers have access to large amounts of data, there’s a dangerous tendency to hunt for significant correlations. Researchers can thus convince themselves that they’ve spotted a meaningful connection, when in fact such connections are totally random."

    But these are not the primary causes. They are the result of a lack of commitment to scientific objectivity and a lack of knowing how when the dominant methods of thinking are rationalistic "model building".
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The dubious nature of much of science as it is practiced is not a built-in psychological bias by human nature, it's bad espistemology full of academic rationalization that by its nature evades objectivity. Starting with a deep seated core subjectivism from Kant to the Positivists and Pragmatists it's not surprising that they also find it so easy to rationalize their beliefs in the simple sense of making excuses to "make a case" as bad as a biased lawyer.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Computer science is a science of method, like mathematics. They don't have to be like physics to be a science of systematic, rational understanding. Every field has its own content and methods dictated by the subject matter.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that what is good, MM, is that with the internet, research results that are against the prevailing wisdom are more difficult to suppress. I do not see an easy solution to uncomfortable studies being buried by their researchers for monetary gain or status - that is part of Human Being 101. But those studies that a researcher wants to publicize now has a far better chance of seeing the light of day.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for the links to Hilton Ratcliffe.

    I took one 'soft' science course in college: Sociology. It was obvious to me that the high grades went to the people who knew the right 'cant' phrases to use. It was a type of techno-Babel competition, not a science class.

    Pity. It could have been interesting otherwise. I stuck to the hard sciences after that - at least they had answers that could be measured in grams.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 7 months ago
    Maybe the only real ego depletion will be that of the original scientists... ;)
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would argue that computer science is most definitely a science, but it is the science of building the future, so it is full of unknowns. You start out with basic circuitry (the advanced stuff is left to electrical engineers) but quickly get into linked lists, recursion, object-orientation vs procedural orientation, and other programming techniques which are language-independent. Computer science itself is the study on how to build tools to solve problems, so while it is a little different than some other sciences, I unreservedly categorize it as a "science" in every sense of the word.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago
    Shades of Nathaniel Branden!
    His work on ego and self-esteem written well before this recent test would have indicated the same result, even though that was not specifically what he was aiming at. I love debunkers, don't you? From the 70's fear of global freezing, to today's fear of global warming. Only in those cases you might get arrested in the near future.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 7 months ago
    I have to disagree...it was ego, a product of the brains identity mechanism that gets the better of one that is not or cannot use the mind to control those temptations of the brain.
    Those that live mostly in the mind, no longer need an ego for identity...however, it's rarely that clear cut, it's not pretty. Due to many distractions; including the memes of awareness and the paradigm in which we live, everyone finds themselves vacillating back and forth between the bicameral brain and our minds. [excepting those that do not have a connection to a mind, ex. liberal progressives...the very young or those so challenged]
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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok, soil science (and geo, life)- exceptions that proves the rule, (another one-liner).
    Computer science, supposedly the science underlying computing, however, more the collection of rules followed at a time by those writing programs. Computer science is further from science than engineering and medicine, it relates to science much as the study of law.
    It is hard to see how economics, as currently understood and propagated, is a science. Economics today incorporates some of the greatest con-tricks and slights-of-hand of the age. As for psychology, this is a branch of social sciences (oops), distinguish from psychiatry which is part of medicine, the theme of this thread suggests how common it is for myths to be accepted as fact in psychology.

    I am a lover of one-liners so I am quite upset (sob) to see them condemned. I wish I had the writing skill to condense my thoughts to one-liners instead of having to quote them.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Today's Retraction Watch was about plagiarism in chemistry. The peer reviewer stole content from a submission. That story is followed by another, also in chemistry. As in my comments to Abaco, we can cite this case or that, but lacking large numbers, it is just our own biases. And that is my point: you feel that abuses are more common in social and behavioral sciences, but without an actual study, we do not know.

    http://retractionwatch.com/2016/03/14...
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Counter-examples include psychology, anthropology, economics, sociology, and criminology (not "crime science"). On the other hand, we have life sciences, geo-sciences or Earth science (geology, geophysics, and geography, as well as meteorology and oceanography, as well as soil science). And, of course, we put astronomy, physics, chemistry, with geology all together under physical sciences.

    At my alma mater, Eastern Michigan University, the psychology department was very proud of being in the physical sciences building, rather than with the social sciences.

    Oh... and computer science! (Not a science?)

    Quips and zingers are a lot of fun, but the tragedy of Orwell's 1984 was the destruction of thought with "ducktalk" the recitation of one-liners. We call the best of them aphorisms or proverbs.


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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good examples:
    Tobacco- when the companies paid, one kind of conclusion came out. Now there is little company money but much from government, only the other kind appears.
    Climate- ' research is bought and paid for on both sides. And that is good'.
    But when the money ratio is about 3000:1 no wonder which way the research goes. Stopping all the government money would solve that, there will always be altruistic sheep who want to save the planet, let them use their own money.

    Rather than government ensuring fair play (expletive deleted), I'd rather rely on Galbraith's countervailing power which says that other interests always exist and these will do their own research with the public deciding.
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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You must insist but I remain skeptical.

    What may be called the scientific method is as you say not overtly taught in 'hard science' classes, it is by and large practiced. The reverse is the case in social science when sensitive cultural beliefs are defended according to the orthodoxy of the time.
    As Samuel Johnson said-
    "Example is more efficacious than precept".

    It has been observed before on this site (was it jbrenner?) that any field of study containing the word science is not science.
    political, social, climate, ..
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the link to Hilton Ratcliffe.
    See also here:
    http://utexas.academia.edu/HiltonRatc...
    And his blog here:
    "Scientists are neither superhuman nor divinely privileged. Scientists, let me tell you right now, are simply plodding bricklayers in the wall of knowledge."
    http://www.hiltonratcliffe.com/

    I must insist, however, that the social sciences actually do teach science. It is the physical sciences that are remiss. In sociology classes from the freshman to the senior level, we study the study: how sociology came to be, how it grew and changed by criticism within and without. We also study the scientific method and statistical methods. That is not true in physics. They just dump the thing in the lap of the freshman as if it were from the head of Zeus. They assume that you know the scientific method. But is that the three-step, nine-step, or 14-step version?

    No, truthfully, the social sciences adhere more closely to what we expect from "real" science.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What about the tobacco companies? Corporate sponsors pay for the research they want. Monsanto is infamous for that. Believe what you want about global warming or the lack thereof but you have to acknowledge that research is bought and paid for on both sides. And that is good.

    It does happen that results are buried for financial reasons, and that just fuels the fires of anti-capitalists who want all research to be funded by the government.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not know about that, Abaco. For one thing, science as always "been in real trouble in America." While it is true that many - perhaps most - Americans were proud to be autodidacts, the anti-intellectual current has always been strong, also. Consider the Scopes Trial. Even today, Neil Degrasse Tyson felt it necessary to expose the ignorance of conservative talking head Bill O'Reilly.

    While your example certainly speaks to the problem, we all have stories. i worked for a software firm that scammed investors with promises of Reaganomic investment credits. One of the officers went to prison, but not enough of them did. That proves nothing about the software industry "being in real trouble" or the fraudulent core of investment tax credits. It is just one case.

    I do agree with you (I believe) that in order to improve (if not rescue) science in America, we need to create a new educational model in science. As I said above, we do not reward replication studies, but they are the touchstone of science.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 7 months ago
    Belief bias is a critical issue in all science, but is much more prevalent in the 'social' and behavioral' sciences. I've followed the work of Hilton Ratcliffe (an astrophysicist that argues against much of the mathematical models that exists in his field and many others) and a few others that particularly address the impacts on broad areas of "science' and the perceptions of those involved in science and how difficult it is to recognize one's own belief bias and guard against it in the work of science.

    Ratcliffe makes the claim that science in general is at a critical juncture at this point due to the effects of those belief biases carried into popular literature and even professional materials. I think he's right, and as a result, I question nearly all 'new' science and claims.
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  • Posted by Abaco 9 years, 7 months ago
    Science is in real trouble in America. I have conducted some research, been the subject in a few studies, and have read around 80 research papers. Science is in real trouble. I've seen, firsthand, a major high-profile study at the local university (at its center that has been established as THE premier research center on the topic) get closed down and shelved upon the creation of data that went against the accepted wisdom (and that of the fund source). To top if off, the head of the study put out a press release that mislead the public.

    I've seen some amazing stuff...
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