The government will let you help in raising your kids

Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago to Government
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I know that this is a Christian-oriented news source.
please pardon me, if this irritates you.

the degree of arrogant mis-handling of power by
the feds, here, just makes it impossible for me to
avoid passing this on. . the parents are "equal partners"
in the raising of their own children? . equal?
WTF? . who made the government equal??? -- j
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SOURCE URL: http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/feds-invite-parents-to-help-raise-their-children/


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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
    This is typical of the collectivist "stakeholder" mentality in which every political "interest" is deemed a "partner" making decisions intruding in your life. This mentality is all over government and politics now, from controlling what you can do with your own private property (and demanding that you don't) to demanding that "corporations" be "accountable" to whatever some political pressure group demands. It is intended to destroy individualism, including private property rights and raising your own children.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 2 months ago
    You are required to stop reading in the Gulch after you read the following~
    You little next to nothings do not have a right to question the intelligence or the authority of our more than equal elite governing betters.
    It's all constitutional because we who are your betters say it is.
    Say, is that your family? Nice family.
    Would you like to keep it?
    We are from the government and we are here to help you.
    We the people. You ain't.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 2 months ago
    The goal of an authoritarian state is an obedient population of subjects, and the best way to insure that is to control the social and moral training as early in life as possible. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and what we're witnessing is the result of social engineering aimed at eliminating want and travail for all.

    Societal conflict has a variety of trigger elements: ethnic, religious, class, political. By focusing on "the unfortunate," well meaning social engineers instill a sense of victimhood in segments of society, resulting in anger and feelings of entitlement. By placing itself in the position of equality with parents, and with obviously the power to do things for the "victim" that the parents can't do, the government destroys parental authority. The end result is a subject populace, obedient to the state.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 2 months ago
    I haven't read the whole thing;(not enough time; I
    am actually supposed to be looking for a job, and
    seeing this remark a considerable number of days
    after it was posted). But it is--"outrageous" doesn't
    quite cover it. It goes beyond arrogance--perhaps it would better be described as a cross
    between hubris and chutzpah.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 2 months ago
    There are all kinds of databases and registries being set up here in California regarding our kids. It's gotten to the point of being a common topic of discussion at any parents mixer, no matter the political stance of the parent. Most are sharing that "deer in the headlights" amazement at what we're seeing and what we are expecting to hand over. The latest one is a registry of each student, managed by a private entity, with information including the child's SSN. LOL...yeah...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 2 months ago
    This is why my next piece of property will likely be outside the US. We all have out line in the sand. This is mine.

    Stay the fuck away from my kids...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 2 months ago
    This is how Stalin, Hitler and Mou got over on their populations.

    Progressivism: thinking they know better than you and insuring that you become so dumb that they will seem as gods...

    This mindless set has pervaded civilizations since the fall of Babylon.

    Same creatures...same plan.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 2 months ago
      The founder of the trilateral commission and the honorary Chairman of the council on foreign relations said this about Mao "The social expiriment in China under Chairman Mao's
      Leadership is one of the most important and successful in history."
      Do you think those groups exercise any influence on our political leaderships?
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 2 months ago
    With friends, I have tracked this Mao type control of children since our now age 31 daughter was in 3rd grade, and Outcome Based Education was being denounced by Britain as a "brain drain". However, the Clinton's embraced it both in Ark. and federally. Hillary began harping for the "village" to raise the child. An that is when parent's were shoved out, children given ideas of no right and wrong and no self-responsibility. Academics grew less and less part of the school day. Columbine was an early district to embrace it all, yet to this day, the role of the school brainwashing is never visited. Then, in came Bush and Obama, and Common Core, train those little one world socialist, forget they are dreadfully at the bottom academically. Suddenly, with schools under scrutiny over test results, the parents were urged to take more of a role, but only with that, don't try to impart their values. I have black friends complaining about the effect the schools have had on their kids' reasoning. I talked with an Hispanic I met at a restaurant this week. He said he would never vote for Hillary, he said he has to sit his kids down and ask where their disrespectful attitude is coming from, and then set them back on path of respect for parents and grandparents. Even a close freind of Clinton, back in his Ark. days, initially thrilled her son was taken in to the Governor's School, later wrote how dangerous it was when the kids were alienated from parents, and her own son committed suicide. The government wants little sheep, not too smart, and definitely not loyal to family. They do not want them able to reason, just learn enough to keep the levies passing.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
    I do not condone this notion of children and parents as equal partners (WTF, I know), but I think I understand where it's coming from. This is about troubled kids. I know someone who's parents had troubles with drugs and alcohol, and the the schools in the 80s filled in the gaps of things his parents should have done. His parents were addicts and didn't have a church, stable friends, and other things to fill in the gaps. Today he's a successful person who abstains from even social drinking and has avoided any repeat of his parents' problems. Ideally family and private orgs like churches would have filled in the gaps. I don't have an ideal solution, but the gov't acting has backup parents

    What I see happening now, is the schools cater even more than in the 80s toward helping kids with troubled families.

    I don't think there's much danger that they'll be partners of any sort to people like the ones in the linked article who claimed their school was proselytizing. They'll just move their kids out. I see that happening more. I heard today of someone whose kids go to public school one day a week, to a private program one day, and to an academically accredited home-based program three days.

    So as odd as it sounds I support the schools doing this hand-holding for needy families. If it works, it much cheaper and less intrusive than waiting until the kids grow up and need to be managed by the criminal justice system.
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      Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
      yes, but the problem is the fact that the government
      programs are backed by government guns. . those
      with power tend to exert that power whimsically, to
      sustain their jobs and expand their power plus the
      pay for their work. . then, they take the kids from
      the poor, hardscrabble homeschooling family and
      violate the hell out of their rights. . like Fred Thompson
      said in Red October, "This is gonna get out of hand." -- j
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
        I don't think any of that is happening. They take the money to fund it with guns. I do not think think they're using these school programs to harass parents or push themselves into parents' lives. The parents can just take their kids out of the school if they don't like it. It's there fore people who completely don't have their act together.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 2 months ago
          CPS is a horrible burden on parents. I know of two instances where loving and supportive families were attempted to be blackmailed by their teenage children who said, "Give me everything I want or I will call CPS on you."

          Jan
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
            My knowledge of children stops at age 7.5, the age of my oldest. My theory on teenagers, though, is it's an age where they biologically want to break away and start their own life. That's hard to do in our society, but I would encourage them to do try it to the extent possible. If they're like me and my parents, they'll think I'm wrong about everything, and I'll turn out to be right about 99% of the things we disagree on. That 1% that the kids are right about moves society forward. So they can call whomever they like. I dream of a world where robots give us everything we want, and our challenge is to find higher purpose and avoid decadence. We're not there yet. I would be abusing them to give them everything they want, leaving them unable to face reality when my wife and are gone. CPS can't make us give them stuff. My wife probably went to law school with their lawyers at UW-Madison, but I don't think we'd have to rely on her network. I don't think the problem of gov't telling non-abusive parents what to do is real. At least I hope it isn't.
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            • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 2 months ago
              Actually, we are talking about 15 and 16 year olds who are getting poor grades in school and cannot support themselves. They demanded no parental oversight for their school work, no curfew, free cellphones, free computers (with unlimited access), and free car. All of these were to be paid for by their parents, of course.

              Their threat was to 'go to CPS' and tell them that 'their parents abused them' if they did not get these things. CPS would have then taken the kids away from the parents and put them in foster homes. So the parents, who wanted to keep their (worthless) kids, bargained for their taking a bunch of CPS approved courses on parenting so that they could keep their children.

              I have no children; do not like or want children. Even I can see that this is wrong.

              I describe this in detail so that you do not under-evaluate the extent of the demands or the power of CPS.

              Jan
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
                I'll have to see how I feel when I get to that point, especially about my daughter, but I wouldn't want to keep my adolescents at that point. I'd encourage them to find their own way. If it turns out my way was actually better, I would be happy if they came back. If they find their own way, I'm equally happy.
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        • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
          Most parents cannot "just take their kids out of school*. They are being forced to pay for the government schools and have nothing left over to pay for school choice. Even if they have the personal time and resources for home schooling many states make that a bureaucratic nightmare. The government controlled, tax subsidized school monopoly is corrupt to its core. It is intended for coercive control.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
            "They are being forced to pay for the government schools and have nothing left over"
            You're saying they don't have means to educated their kids, but if the gov't refunded the portion of their taxes that go to education they would be able to provide for themselves? I actually suspect most parents either a) have the means to provide for their own kids, even after the high taxes we pay, or b) would not be on top of it even if the gov't refunded every cent they pay that goes to education-related programs.

            I get your point about the gov't taking people's money and then giving it back to them in the form of spending it as the gov't thinks it should be spent. I'm just saying most people who say they are victims backed into a corner by a coercive public education system would be victims of something else if the education system were abolished.
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            • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
              Most parents do not have the means to pay for education twice, especially with the bloated, union controlled 'public' school bureaucracy, nor should they have to put up with it no matter what they can afford at the expense of some other sacrifice. Liberal "victim" rhetoric doesn't justify it.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 2 months ago
      The government isn't a partner at all - let alone an equal one. I've seen far more damage done by CPS than I have good.

      If government wants to be a partner in good families, here is a list of things they can do to "help":
      1) lower taxes. Everywhere. Let businesses get back to the business of putting people to work. Let people take care of themselves.
      2) stop giving welfare handouts. Let people take care of themselves.
      3) stop assaulting the traditional family. Sociologists have shown repeatedly that married, biological parents raising their own kids leads to the best chances for children to be productive members of society.
      4) divest themselves from the educational system. Schooling is best when it is local and when the parents are heavily involved.
      5) encourage private charities to fill in where resources are lacking. I note that even when the government takes children away from their parents, it isn't the government that takes care of them, but the foster parents. The notion that "government" is caring for these children is false.
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