Location in Arizona for the Gulch?

Posted by tkstone 3 years, 5 months ago to Government
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I know very little about the politics in Arizona, but this is an encouraging sign.
SOURCE URL: http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/gov-arizona-supreme-court-clint-bolick.html


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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 5 months ago
    I met Clint in Phoenix in 2002. He was looking for a house and signed a contract to buy mine. I think my Ayn Rand library may have been a factor in the favorable impression we made.
    Definitely an encouraging sign for Arizona.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 3 years, 5 months ago
    A real Gulch would have to hide disappearing people like in Atlas Shrugged.
    Otherwise, control freak "public servants" would never leave such a place alone.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 5 months ago
      I don't know if you've been to Arizona, but there are some places where you could be a few feet from someone and not see them due to the weird curves and stone configurations. However, all the old hideeholes have been pretty much explored and mapped.
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      • Posted by  $  allosaur 3 years, 5 months ago
        I drove through Arizona three times during the 70s.
        It is interesting to visit but the Bama dino prefers the shade of many trees.
        I feel so EXPOSED as I drive across a flat desert.
        I kinda like the dry heat over the humidity I'm used to but I also recall the terrible headache I got due to not having a hat when I had a brief bit of car trouble. That was in Nevada's Death Valley, though.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 3 years, 5 months ago
    Funny you should mention this. Fivedollargold sent his marital spouse and daughter to Arizona last weekend to prospect for Gulch sites. They are presently scouring the Sedona area.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 5 months ago
      I love Sedona. I have a few contacts there. If he'd like the opinions of a 20 year transplant there, let me know and I'll set up a get-together..
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      • Posted by ycandrea 3 years, 5 months ago
        Good luck hiding out in Sedona! It is a huge tourist town.
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        • Posted by DeanStriker 3 years, 5 months ago
          Sedona is, or was, about my favorite spot in Arizona. We went there many times from Prescott, over Mingus Mtn, thru Jerome & Cottonwood, a great little trip. Back then Sedona was a lovely quiet place to be, but today it's become a sort of Yuppyville; Ditto Prescott, so sad.
          But any city is a lousy place to "hide out'", so today we live in Nowhere, AZ, We're old-folks and bugging out is not part of our plan. Much of our homeland today is like ourselves, and working toward plain survival via self-defense.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 3 years, 5 months ago
    I still believe that the best place to create a Gulch, is the state of Texas. There currently is a rather large movement to secede, and the governor and many elected officials are Libertarians at heart. The 1835 constitution can be dusted off, and we can get down to business! And, don't give me that junk about the fed not allowing it. They don't have a choice in the matter. Do your research before making inappropriate (stupid) comments.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 3 years, 5 months ago
    Yes, an encouraging sign and the current governor is doing a great job --- given what he has to work against to bring any sort of liberty to the surface. I first came to Arizona in 1961, lived a few other places after that, returned in 1990 and lived here until now. The changes between 1961 and now are things only us old people can appreciate.
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  • Posted by jimslag 3 years, 5 months ago
    1 person is a start but I think the Great State of Arizona still has a long way to go for it to be considered a Gulch. I like his credentials, however a book with Jeb has it's drawback, sort of like no matter how many atta boys you have, one aw Sh*t overrides everything. I lived in Phoenix back in 2002-2003 but missed Denver and moved back there. I was not into politics at that time, so I didn't really pay attention to who was what back then, I was more concerned about earning a living and paying bills. I like that a Republican is Governor and he put this guy into the State SC but I remember the Phoenix area as being more liberal, so it is sort of like here in New Mexico. While the majority of the state is rural and red, the major cities are blue or purple and therefore, it is usually Democratic in stature. My Representative is a D but only because our District has Santa Fe which has more people than the rest of the District who voted for his R opponent. His off ice is in Santa Fe, which is 4 hours from where I live. So goes the Western states where population centers control the whole state's politics. Phoenix and Tucson have more people than the rest of the state.
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  • Posted by handyman 3 years, 5 months ago
    Wanting to live in a more Objectivist society is a rational and important goal. However, making it happen in a geographically distinct place is a but a dream. A much more achievable, potentially personally satisfying and ultimately useful strategy is to build Objectivist networks right where you are.

    Using this forum to explore ways to do this, reporting on strategies that furthered the goal and those that didn’t would be much more helpful than clinging to the dream that there will be a Gulch to move to.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 3 years, 5 months ago
    Heyfolks I have lived in Sedona for about 26 yrs. and have seen this grow and change. I will tell you what we have here.
    First, we have a lot of retired people from socialist California and others from the northwest states. Like myself a few from the east coast. Democrats are a sizeable element in the Verde Valley; which includes Cottonwood, Camp Verde, Cornville, Lake Montezuma, Jerome and Clarkdale besides Sedona. Most of the other residents are independent minded. There is a sizeable Hispanic population which consider themselves Democrats. Sedona has different political segments. We have the Fluffy Bunnies (New Agers) who will vote for someone like Bernie Sanders; then the Artsy-Fartsies which are mostly Democrats; Store and Business owners are split evenly Rep and Dems with some independents; The ones who are in power and behind the scenes are Dems and a few Indies.
    There is a small population that are gun owners of which I'm one. Despite, the open carry regulation many people in town still cringe at the sight of open carry holstered gun. The towns in the lower valley still act like it's the Wild,Wild,Wild West. That's why there is a 600 bed Detention Facility in Camp Verde, which also serves Prescott and Pescott Valley on the the side of the Black Mtns.
    If any of the you Gulchers come here I will be glad to meet up with you. (Text me @ 928-821-8059)
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  • Posted by BenFrank 3 years, 5 months ago
    Those curious about a good out of the way place in Arizona should check out Pleasant Valley just below the Mogollan Rim. Hard to get to but worth it. Water from the Rockies make it excellent for growing and cattle. It's all but forgotten and the townspeople like it that way.
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  • Posted by gcarl615 3 years, 5 months ago
    I spent the winter of 2009-2010 in an RV park just east of Kingman off of I40. Arizona at that time was pretty much broke and did not take of the roads and waysides. I do not know if that has changed but the climates varies greatly all over the state. Near Flagstaff gets pretty wintery and near Pheonix is very dry. We toured all around the state and there are definitely areas that are Gulchish. The key would be to find an area that is isolated and can support off grid living and food production. Another issue would be local Indians. They will steal you blind while you are in town to get milk... I don't know but I think perhaps with enough research there may be a possibility.
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