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How Hard Is It To Fire A Federal Worker?

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 1 month ago to Government
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Well, it takes a village..except in DC where it seems it takes an acto fo congress tofire a fed. One reason we are mired in this mess. I think AR may have tried to get one fired in the 40's and maybe that was her inspiration....
SOURCE URL: http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/03/heres-why-its-all-but-impossible-to-fire-a-fed/


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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 1 month ago
    Sad, but true.

    The only criticism I would have of his article is the use of the term "federal worker". My brother is employed by the State of Oregon. When I first called him a "state worker" he corrected me by saying he was a "state employee"; calling him a "worker" assumed too much.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      In Oregon, that is almost a curse word. The state wor...employees have got such a ratchet around state government, they re-elected a clear criminal, just so he could immediately resign to escape prosecution, and we have an un-elected governor for 4 years, who will be elected and reelected. So we have the same person for 12 years now. What a deal, and all because they promise to never reform the super rich retirement system the little piggy people live on here. Between retired state wor..employees and current ones, they form an unassailable block with unions to ensure true socialism means they get all the money they can steal, and only have to show up for something, somewhere..maybe. And of course, vote Dumbocrap every time. A large rat could be elected in Oregon, as long as it is a registered Dumbocrap rat..come to think of it, I think they do.
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      • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 1 month ago
        My brother is in the southwest corner of the state, far away from Portlandia in both location and thought. It's too bad that a large, liberal population center dictates to everyone else in the state. I used to live in Vancouver, WA. I think the Portland folks were VERY frustrated that we would not accept their omniscient dictate and accept an income tax to fund the new I-5 bridge.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          That thing will never be built but I think Kitzrobber blew 500 million on the "study" of which I will be him and his girlfriend skimmed off a couple million, and the Democrap Party must have gotten a couple as well. I live 62 miles from Aloha (which is west of Beaverton). Even in Polk County, which always votes Republicrap overall, they have to have the Democrap Commisioners who not only waste money, but always seem to run out of it, and want to cram a new tax or levy on you. I started in 1996 with 850 a year property taxes, now it is 1700.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
            WHAT happened to the 3% annual property tax limit ation? I recall they tried to go around it by raising valuation but each owner said PROVE IT? If it's true I'll sell. But they couldn't so they had to revalue to lower than it was before. ....
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
              No it is still there, but every year, you do get that 3% increase no matter what, property goes down, but tavxes 3% up. They did not limit the stupidity of the dumbass voters to be swayed by tales of death and destruction if they do not approve a levy on themselves to stop it (which it never does), so instead of a general property tax increase, they go for a 5 year bond issue, that they then come back 4 years later and say will bankrupt them if they do not extend it another 5 and so on. I have 8 levies on my tax bill. My base tax is 900, the other 800 is all "additional". These looters are smart and the sheeple are incredibly gullible and stupid. They pass it every time...
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 1 month ago
    From the Article:
    "Morris called government worker unions the “snake inside of the tent” and called on the next president and his or her senior advisers to make civil service management reform a high priority."

    For all of his faults, this is something that Trump could take on as President. How many times have the American people heard him say "You're fired" on The Apprentice? At least they wouldn't be surprised.

    Also From the Article:
    "The first step, he said, is cutting the federal workforce — drastically.

    “The first thing you need to do is downsize the government by about two million people,” Coburn said. There are about 2.7 million people working in the executive branch, according to OPM. But Coburn doubts Congress has the willpower to do anything drastic."
    So why isn't Tom Coburn running for President?
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      Can't say, but this song has been sung for the last 40-50 years I have been around. Never happens, as they are almost a self sustaining form of bacteria, just as id duplicated in 50 states and DC/PR. Is it any-wonder we blow trillions now instead of billions?
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 1 month ago
    I remember the revelation for Condoleeza Rice when she wanted to reorganize the executive staff at the Department of State. Under the rules governing civil service employment at State, any change in a senior bureaucrat's position (hiring, firing, downgrade, reassignment) was subject to approval by a board of those same bureaucrats. That essentially meant the Secretary was powerless to remove corrupt or underperforming employees.

    Dan Goldin was brought in to set NASA straight, and quickly found the regional fiefdoms in Houston, Huntsville had such tight ties to powerful Senators that they could openly ignore any attempt to change business as usual. This is pretty much the norm for all government agencies.

    I have little hope that any President can perform the wholesale cutbacks that are absolutely needed in the Federal workforce. Union busting has to take place, but that faces an uphill battle as well.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 8 years, 1 month ago
      I was a contractor at a federal agency for a while... they were entitled to a board review for moving their work location to a different cubicle.. such as with or without a window, as that impacted their 'working conditions'.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      One reason we had a shuttle blow up. No one wanted to question an issue with seals everyone knew about, even in Morton Thiokol they didn't. Another object lesson none of the idiots learned from.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
        Of course not. When do lives mean more than pork? I saw it work once. When the old Panama Canal Zone was dismantling. But all that ended up proving that every part of that operation including the police were dirty.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          Sadly, your point is valid. Our counties commitment to personal freedom was sold off a long time ago. Even sadder is the fact most people do not know or care where it went, as long as the songs sung are to their liking.
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  • Posted by GaryL 8 years, 1 month ago
    In the department I worked it was a common event when an employee was not cutting it they either transferred him/her or promoted them up and therefor out of the position. Pass a bad employee off to some other place so they are no longer a problem for the supervisors. It was so much easier than trying to fire.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      How well I remember. The civilian version is found in education. Those that cannot do - teach. Those that cannot teach -administrate. those that cannot administrate become University Professors of Education. Those that can't cut it go to work for Department of Education and the State then Federal Levels.

      Coupled with...

      If you were walking by the lakeshore and saw a local educator drowning do you know what steps to take to save them?

      You don't!

      Good.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
        If you were walking by the lakeshore and saw a local educator drowning do you know what steps to take to save them?:
        Tell them we need to take a vote first?

        Also, ours is: Managers are people who failed at Garbage Collection.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 1 month ago
    It would seem that the "HR" process was a progressive/communistic union invention to protect those that inhabit the Kakistocracy. The "good ole boy" criminal protection business.

    ---Sure is a "Troubled Inheritance" pun intended.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      The whole "HR" thing is a racket from the get go. I have not met an "HR" person, who was actually human. I stay away from them like the plague, and working nights is one way to do it..they apparently do not come out after dark.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago
    I guess no one remembers all those EPA employees who were making six figures watching porn all day (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/a.... Or the FCC employees just a year earlier (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2....

    What is ridiculous is that these very same things would bring an FBI investigation on any private business.
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    • Posted by ewv 8 years, 1 month ago
      If EPA bureaucrats spent their time on ordinary pornography we would be a lot better off. Agencies like EPA, NPS, etc. are run and inhabited by viro ideologues there to hijack the power of government agencies to impose their own misanthropic nihilistic nature worship.

      Their entrenchment is protected in the "civil service", which is why it is practically impossible to get rid of them. Political appointees who could be removed by the following administration transfer to the civil service to protect themselves.

      When the top SES bureaucrats (Senior Executive Service) are caught in scandals, the bureaucracy closes ranks and rewards them with raises and promotions in compensation for their "suffering" at the hands of those who expose them. It would be better if they did spend their time on ordinary pornography instead of their ant-private property rights agenda that is so unjust in trampling citizen's civil rights that it is pornographic at a new and lower level of depravity.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
        Well, that was clearly stated! I agree with your premise, but they will never give up, the kind of people who gravitate to their brood love to impose their ethics, morals and beliefs on everyone else, and do not care one bit about the impact. Something that seems to have become common procedure throughout all levels.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      And an HR one for offending the women, boys girls, dogs cats and turtles involved. That just illustrates why the looters need to loot us so hard and so often, this is just what escapes the turd filters, imagine what really goes on....
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  • Posted by marc 8 years, 1 month ago
    Never having had to fire a federal employee, I can’t say for certain just how hard it would be, but I would bet a single Federal Reserve Note that it would be extremely difficult to downright impossible—especially if they are of a politically-correct people group and/or sex.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 1 month ago
    in management at a prime federal contractor's site
    in oak ridge TN years ago, anyone who successfully
    fired anyone for any reason was celebrated as a hero
    forever. . discrete, easy-evidence things like time clock
    data forgery were the only areas which lent themselves
    to firing-for-cause. . nothing in the area of word-of-mouth
    evidence worked, it seemed. . very difficult! -- j
    .
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  • Posted by Boilermaker 8 years, 1 month ago
    Rather than listen to what changes/modifications to government programs the Republican candidates are proposing, I want to know what programs they plan to ELIMINATE!
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      Sure. None. But they will institute a new program to study the need and make recommendations.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
        To be implemented by a Congressional and Select Senate Committee no doubt. There isn't a program SOME politician doesn't like, they just fight with each other like wild animals over a carcass, to see who gets the tasty, soft organ meat...
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 1 month ago
    It seems like you can break any rule or law as a fed employee and be a front runner for the Presidency.Sheeez what is going on in people's heads ? I guess nothing!!😥👎👎👎👎
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      Exactly. There is just something that is so wrong with this whole mess. I just watched Trump in an interview with OReilly, and while he is supremely confidant, he just seems to blather on. It is scary to think of him as President, but on the other hand, it is scarier to think of the alternatives. There is no such thing as a "statesman" anymore, and hasn't been for probably 100 years. The HillaryBeast thing is just an arrogant presumption of royalty, she really, really believes she is above the law, in many ways. Anyone who does a close look at what she has done as SecState and her foundation, and does not label her a traitor, is denying the truth. There were way too many "things" that magically happened in foreign countries, with huge donations to the Foundation right afterwards. All of her supporters will just ignore whatever does not fit their model, as well as the same for Republicrats. It is a very bad situation, but only 1% of our population is willing to even think about it.
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 1 month ago
        I saw that, he did seem to blather on. On the other hand, he had just spent two hours on the receiving end of attacks from everyone except Kasich. He was probably exhausted.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
          No excuse. He also ducks debate appearances where he has zero knowledge. In many ways a very weakly prepared individual when not even blather is available.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
            I am sure his handlers have really scarred hands and missing difits, comes from trying to manage a crazy crocodile with more money than is good for it. But I bet he is as hardheaded when being told some facts and figures to use, and argues with them. Reminds me a lot of the Tellarites from Star Trek, he would be a great Tellarite or Ferengi.He has the lobes for business.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
    Fired does not always mean what you think it means. Go back to the union hall and get sent out again sometimes to the same job site. In government there are so many ways around a firing it's a wonder we don't have people from WWI still working. Did you run a counseling program. Yes. Did the individual respond. Yes. Then the program starts over. Weight Control with Ethnic exceptions and then equal opportunity etinic exceptions. A good lawyer can keep a few thousand bad government employees working for a full career plus and then claim damages.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 1 month ago
    In my experience this is completely true. My wife worked for US DoJ and WI legislature and from what she tells me it's a total gravy train. She says you cannot get your mind around it if you've never worked in it.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      This has been common knowledge in my sphere (US Navy) since the 80's. We knew the federal shipyard people could not get fired, even when we caught them stealing and looting the boat itself. One guy was caught in Philly NSY with a whole truckload of mahogany wood that was for our deck, and sold it. The gave him a letter of censure. That was in 1979. Nothing has changed, which is why we are where we are. It is also why crappy service is their standard. The VA story was one of nightmares. Yet the sheeple continue to endorse the corrupt system, as long as they get what they want.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 1 month ago
    Reagan managed to get rid of thousands of them in one go, AND bar them from re-employment by the Feds. It's only a start, but it may be the most important thing he ever accomplished.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      Those 'loopholes' no longer exist. The only one sure way is for someone like a President to say I don't trust you. Then pull the security clearance for review. Might end up with a large staff of non cleared people but it would get them out of the way. - pending review. But in the case of a department how does that work when the Secretary of....is untrustworthy? Each of them has a signed resignation turned in according to urban myth. But most higher ups are afraid of a loose cannon on the talking head circuit. Thee are more secrets in DC than stories in the Naked City.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
        All true, I am not sure of the resignation part, they could cobble one together just as easy. HillaryBeast just gets them "mysteriously dead ala Vince Foster. As far a Security clearances go, whoever gave HB one should be shot, right after the roller her into court for treason. It would be hilarious to see what she put down on her background check and who here references were. Can you use Satan as a reference?
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