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  • Posted by lostsierra 12 years, 3 months ago
    We have 30,000 troops in Afghanistan. Their supplies go thru Russian controlled territory. Easy capture. We are outnumbered on the ground in Euroland, with little maritime heavy transport capacity. Navy is complaining they have no real amphib capability today. It is not your fight. Stay clear. Besides do you really want to have El Barack bin Obama as your C-in-C in a real shit pissing war? Do you really want to have war fervor allow the Left to hold the Senate. Mind your own business.
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  • Posted by Ob1 12 years, 3 months ago
    Interesting perspective found at Breitbart. See what you think.. if the link doesn't come up, search James Delingpole 28 Mar 2014: "Nigel Farage Is Right: It Was the EU, Not Russia, Which Provoked the Ukraine Crisis"
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Londo...
    for the larger picture check circumspectnews dot com
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    • Posted by mccannon01 12 years, 3 months ago
      As stated by iroseland below, Ukraine is an immensely complex topic.

      Here, IMHO, is an additional fly in the soup.

      The main stream press is spewing theories and guesses about Putin’s motives regarding Ukraine, but
      they are not telling us the whole story because of political correctness. They don't tell us about the Islamic angle. In reality, I don’t believe Putin is trying to rebuild the old Soviet Union as some would have us believe. The media gives Obama a pass and the Obama administration policy seems to always be on the side of Islam (foreign or domestic). Keep in mind the Russians have been fighting the Mohamadans for centuries and the 20th and 21st centuries are no exception. The Crimea is a strategic trade route through the under belly of Russia and they cannot allow the region to be dominated by Islam. Under the old Soviet Union, the Muslim population was pushed out of the Crimea and was replaced by Russians. This eliminated the Islamic threat to Russia's trade to the Black Sea (bad enough, from a Russian point of view, the Turks are in control of the Dardanelles and Bosphorus). Under recent Ukrainian rule the Muslims were moving back into the Crimea in large numbers making it uneasy for the Russians (keep in mind the anti-Russian demonstrations in Ukraine had a large militant Muslim component). Although Ukraine needed to stay friendly with Russia, they adopted western PC to be more acceptable to the EU and US and did nothing to stop Muslim immigration to the region. Well, Putin pretty much tells the west to shove PC up its a** and will NEVER allow Islamic rule of the Crimea. This is why, IMHO, the Russians got involved in Chechnya, Georgia, and Afghanistan. Only three nations in the world are truly standing up to the spread of Islam: Russia, China, and India. The western nations, including the US, have virtually surrendered due to PC. Yeah, Russia and China are not our best friends and India is sometimes questionable, but they know Islam is bad news and are at least fighting it.

      It's a tough call for the Russians because they can't fight us and the Muslims at the same time. They learned that fact in Afghanistan. If Obama gets the US involved over there, it won't be because of a "Free Ukraine", which is the lie he will feed the American People. It will be to weaken the Russians enough to hand over the Crimea to Islam. At the same time, expansion of Islam requires the crushing of Russia.
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      • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 12 years, 3 months ago
        Surprised someone else caught that.
        A lot of effort has been made to avoid mentioning that angle.
        When I see a conflict in the world, first thing I do is to type the name of the conflict and "Muslim" and then do the same with "Islam".

        I get some interesting results - 12,000 Muslims cheering for the new Ukrainian government and check the story from that angle as well.

        I've found one country not suffering violence from Muslims: Greenland, which isn't that odd a discovery.

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        • Posted by mccannon01 12 years, 3 months ago
          Yes, there's a pattern here. Putin will fight for Russian survival against Islam if he has to, regardless of what the UN may vote. Also, keep in mind the largest voting bloc in the UN today is the OIS (Organization of Islamic States). [Side note: this is something else to contemplate as the Obama administration hands over the control of the Internet to an international body. Aka UN?]
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  • Posted by $ TimCutler 12 years, 3 months ago
    Comrade Putin is setting up the final sucker-punch - Mr. Obama has painted himself into a corner and will accept the annexation of the Ukraine in return for a peaceful plebiscite.
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  • Posted by iroseland 12 years, 3 months ago
    ok, Ukraine is an amazingly complex topic. It is also proving yet again that east of Warsaw US policy has not idea what is going on and would often be better off by avoiding getting too involved. Ukraine has spent the lions share of the last 600 years being a part of Russia. The result is that the two are very intertwined. As for Crimea between Russia various navies for the last 200 years and the part where Russians have a relationship with Crimea that is similar to New York and Florida... So, the thing is we do in fact need to let Putin know that we are ok with Ukraine choosing its own destiny, but we will not tolerate the use of force. It seems that the best way to do that would be to start shipping Missile Defense equipment to Poland, Latvia and Estonia. Also, Putin should hope that the Kerelians that were relocated north of Moscow don't suddenly decide that they need to vote on weather they are Finnish, which they are or Russian, which they are not.
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    • Posted by $ number6 12 years, 3 months ago
      If its close to the relationship between New York and Florida ... most Floridians wish the New Yorkers would not visit Fl.

      (Ive visited Yalta and you are right, it is a destination vacation area for Russians AND Ukrainians)
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