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Your pre-Gulch job? Your job in the Gulch?

Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 10 months ago to The Gulch: General
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One of the most entertaining parts of the book is the part at the beginning of the chapter on Atlantis where everyone talks about their jobs outside the Gulch vs. within the Gulch.

Before I read AS, I was both a professor of chemical engineering and materials science, particularly nanotechnology, as well as the co-founder of small biosensors and biofuels companies. After reading AS, I sold the businesses to not feed the looters. I kept the professorship because I was not doing things contradictory to Galtish values. Recently I just got an appointment as a biomedical engineering professor, too.

Within the Gulch it appears my job is to be discussion facilitator.

Welcome to Atlantis,
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  • Posted by Notperfect 11 years, 10 months ago
    I have been driving a truck "long Haul" for almost 33 years. Oct. 22, 1981 to be exact. Then in 2009 got the chance to work in Trenton, New Jersey because jobs in Michigan went to pot. One of the best jobs I have had until I found out up close what the "Fed" was all about. Yes I haul valuables if you want to call it that. In a facility like the Fed you get the feeling they do not care for those who only want to make an honest living. Bullet proof glass between yourself and any of their employees. you back into their docks offload monies into a room they have opened to you. Then they close the doors you have used and go into that room to make sure what is on the bill of lading is presented to them kind of like a verifying room. They walk out of that room into a larger room while closing the doors behind themselves. Once in the larger room they open doors outside to a hall and go out then close those doors. The doors you used are opened again and you proceed through. The second set they used to enter into the counting room are opened and you proceed to move these carts or bins into the large room. Once you have moved your freight into these bullet proof rooms you walk out and all the doors are shut. The last door those members of this establishment walked through are finally opened they walk in count whatever you brought them and sign the B.O.L's. They open the verifying room doors walk in and they slide the B.O.L.'s threw the doors under or between. That is the closest you get to their employees. All this time you and whomever are at the docks are being eyed. Hauling Pharmaceutical's is even more fun you either stay in your vehicle or in a holding pen as they load or offload. Do not get me wrong the company I work for have provided the skills I need to keep up with the competition and the best thing is it's non-union. Working in a state that unions are known for and living in a state "Michigan" where unions have destroyed their populace I guess that is the best competitive company I have worked for. Their philosophy we have the right to fire you and that is the last word makes this old Texan proud to work for them. In the Gulch you can bet hauling might still be first on the list, but I do make a mean "Enchilada Casserole" and other delicacies. You always have to have sustenance to keep up with the competition.
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  • Posted by plusaf 11 years, 10 months ago
    ok, what the hell...

    One of my first jobs was a 'maintenance man' (or janitor) at a community pool I'd belonged to as a member previously. Great education on how people perceive you based on your job.

    Spent a few summers as a technician at Lockheed Electronics in NJ, helping test circuits and implement solutions in a massive test system they were building for the US Navy. Pissed off more than a few engineers by solving problems they'd been beating their heads against the wall, pretty much by observing them and asking a few questions.

    Quality Control inspector at what might have been the birthplace of Gavin Electronics. After a short time, I proposed to management that I could/should TEACH some of the assemblers 'how to solder' so that I wouldn't have to send so many parts back for rework. Almost taught myself out of that job before returning to college.

    Semiconductor Applications engineer on power transistor components and circuits. Envisioned and helped build several pieces of test equipment which became 'lab standards' for our group so people would stop arguing over which test method gave the most accurate and 'true' readings. Mine. Collaborated with a team to build a multiple-testing unit which, interestingly enough, we called "The Galt 1 Test Set." We had several AR fans in the department, including the guy who introduced me to AS.

    Then, marketing engineer for a power semiconductor line starting up at a company in Silicon Valley. Manufacturing couldn't fab a stable product and I came close to being fired when the field sales teams criticized me for 'writing bad specifications' for the product.

    Moved to another division back when an entire division could be focused on computer terminals. In a few months I helped write several parts of a service manual for a forthcoming terminal as well help the design guys change some innards to make servicing faster and easier. Final coup was to discover, on my own, the root cause of a problem which had been costing millions of dollars in repairs and service calls on one particular model of our terminals. Unfortunately, for my solution, the product was being obsoleted by then. Should have started earlier.

    Moved into Sales Support and product training for a minicomputer division and participated in the evolution from 16-bit computing to 32-bit architecture as well as RISC. Got lots of plaques and awards for being 'best teacher' over several years.

    Was morphed into Product Manager on the sales side in 'the factory' for most of the RISC sub-product lines. Gave wonderful product overviews for major customers and sales reps. Something about being honest about what I knew and didn't know and trusting customers to understand that 'our plans may change, but this is what they are now...' , unlike most of the marketing folks creating the new products. Had lots of battles with management over that.

    Offered a 'too good' retirement package and went home in 2002. Designed and had several home remodeling things built... a custom deck, kitchen layout and family room design. Then, of course, sold the house and moved to NC.

    Designed my woodturning workshop for the crawl space under the house and helped solve some construction problems during the build, and for the past 3-4 years have been doing wood turning. When i'm not doing small maintenance and repairs around the house.

    My forte's have tended to be Pattern Recognition suitable for problem identification and solution and good Visualization Skills for picturing the solution and helping implement it.

    Virtually nobody seeks me out for such help, though I've become a sort of guru/consultant over the years for friends and neighbors.

    Living off investment income and savings and Social Security now, doing anything I damned well please and not depending on anyone (else) for anything.

    I love brainstorming and helping find solutions to problems, though I also have a poor record for 'implementation.' Good part of a team if you can stand occasional impatience and bluntness.

    Owned a website I called "Blunt Consulting" for a while, as a lark.

    Oh, and I like blogging and participating in conversations online. Particularly where I can ask questions other folks don't ask or downright don't WANT to be asked!
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
      If I could give > 1 thumbs up, I would do so to Plusaf here. As a non-electrical engineer who didn't do significant electrical work prior to grad school and then had to wire an entire lab full of experiments, I learned how to solder properly from the guy who forced me to take all of my electrical tape off and put heat shrink tubing on instead. I now buy used lab equipment on EBay and LabX and repair it myself rather than write grant proposals like my colleagues. They look at me as odd, but that is the handicap I put on myself so as to not be a moocher.

      The key to electrical soldering is to cut your wire on a 30 degree angle to get the wire tip sharp. Interestingly, something very similar to that is important in "cutting" Pt/Ir wire for scanning tunneling microscope (STM) tips for my nanotech minor that I will have the webinar for next Thursday. However, instead of cutting the wire for STM, you need to actually pull the wire at the 30 degree angle.
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      • Posted by plusaf 11 years, 10 months ago
        :) Wish someone had told me about the 30-degree snip about 4.5 decades ago... :)
        At Gavin, all I had to do was teach 'the girls' that the solder joint should be shiny-bright and not tug on it too quickly. And those were single-strand wires and discrete components soldered to lug-type terminal strips! Just a short time after the dinosaurs died out...
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  • Posted by $ Maree 11 years, 10 months ago
    I went on strike 25/4/2007 from a career in student accommodation management.
    Though the actual moment was when having shrugged from that role and actually taking a week of holiday with the children, i took them to a poor suburb in our major city and our spending money was stolen on day one. What did it for me was the accom receptionist telling me the poor people would make good use of it.

    I made a deliberate plan in shrugging to reinvent manager-me into an administrator.

    Now i am a low level admin.

    In the gulch i would be with Susanne producing the food in the garden. Not mucking about with pretty flowers. Growing food. we need her bees.

    And if you kill the meat i will gut and dress and cook it.

    If you want to compete - race me. I do a mean 5km and 10km by foot and a not-bad orienteer. On the day of the worst of our earthquakes i did a shit load of running. Then i ran home. Cars and buses sure werent going anywhere. I did.

    I know lots of us are into engines, but, y'know.... Feet.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 10 months ago
      "The poor people would make good use of it". Ugh! those who say things like that make my skin crawl.

      BTW thanks for reminding me, have to sew the clover for this years crop of deer. Bees love it, you would think it was Deer-nip, and it helps lock the nutrients into the soil to make it more productive next year! Win win win!
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 10 months ago
    Pre-moocher - worked in a number of private businesses. Unfortunately, most of the owners were not business minded, and shops fell more often than not. Tried a couple times to float a loan to buy the failing shops, but the banks said I was too young or too inexperienced, and my folks told me that since most businesses fail, I was better off... (Ahhh, were I not so young, and especially naïve, eh??)

    So, to keep me from that "folly", my folks applied some pull, called in a few favors and got for me a civil service career position, where, of course, I started as labor - yes, the poor downtrodden abused union member - started making friends and applying my own pull from favors, and mooched my way to Supervisor.

    Then... thank God... I found a copy of a book I'd been "forbidden" to read as "subversive" in High School. Overnight (almost literally - I'm a fast reader!) , it absolutely shook me to my core, changed me in ways I had forgotten over the previous decades... it was my mirror, and I saw within it what I had become, and what had to change, much as meeting Hank Rearden changed Tony.

    Fast forward to Now. I *do* still work in Civil Service, tho as a producer, not a moocher (something I'm *very* proud of, BTW.) We (my other half and I) took our "retirement savings" and bought an 1870's forge (and 1970's cabin) and using skills I learned decades ago working for other people, I started a small side business repairing (and making) custom machinery. It is slowly but steadily growing, and in the meanwhile, we've taken up Beekeeping for fun and the sweet gold of Honey, with the intent of a meadery later this season... We're expanding the "forge" to take on new projects (most recently, pre-war car and machinery repairs - fun stuff!) and the dollars are growing.

    Some look forward to retirement as a time to sit back, collect the free money, and spend their waning years in relaxation and idleness... I look forward to it as it will give more time to plunge our business ahead, at light speed, into a prosperous and profitable future. ;-)
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    • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 10 months ago
      we here have recently added a tig welder to the fold, which is a wonderful machine (Eastwood, so we could afford it) ... you must have lots of fun!
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 10 months ago
        Oh, you're gonna love TIG... the possibilities are endless, the welds amazing, and once you've got it down, the work is pretty pretty stuff, kinda like welding art! ;-)
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  • Posted by neilevan 11 years, 10 months ago
    I'm pushing 65 and semi-retired, currently own two duplicate bridge clubs. I can certainly continue in that vein, directing and teaching the game, as well as other careers I've had in the past: chauffeur, sailing captain and instructor, commercial pilot with multi-engine and instrument ratings, photo-journalist, television producer, radio producer and DJ, musician (sax, clarinet, piano, guitar, and bass) and stage actor. I'm also a certified firearms instructor, and if there's a need for it, I have enough firearms and ammo to supply a decent-sized platoon. (Or a crew of pirates!)
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
      What are you getting for 22LRs? And when can I come pick it up? Seriously, hasn't been any more than a trickle around here (WI) in more than 6 mos. My two local sources (FleetFarm and Walmart) at best get one case every 2-3 weeks and if you're not in the store when they put it on the shelf, you're out of luck.
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      • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
        Is WI becoming Starnesville, Robbie? Atlas Shrugged Now Non-Fiction strikes again (pun intended).
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        • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
          Parts of downtown MKE. I would say that Madison is more like DC. Major public university and seat of state government. Looter and Moocher heaven. Much of the rest of the state is actually rather rational. Like most of the US, if you get away from high population density, you get more rationality.
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          • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
            You're in the battleground right now, Robbie. Scott Walker is trying to return WI to sanity, and all of the looters and moochers are struggling (mostly unsuccessfully) to take him out (as opposed to down). It is one of the few reasons to consider not going Galt left.
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            • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
              Rather calm right now. The leftie that they put up to go against Scott (family built Trek bicycles, and she has several hundred million) has just announced last week that she would not be self-funding her campaign and will be looking for the party and donors to foot the bill - just goes to show how little faith she has in herself winning.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 11 years, 10 months ago
    In the book there generally are three jobs, not two, for each Gulch resident. First, there is "Used to be." Hugh Akston used to be a professor of philosophy. Then there is the "day job" outside the Gulch. Hugh flips burgers. Does it very well. Inside the gulch, though, he's presumably still a philosopher.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 11 years, 10 months ago
    I trained as a pathologist. FIfteen years ago I was a laboratory administrator in a 250-bed community hospital.

    In the Gulch I could help Dr. Hendrix run a laboratory for clinical diagnosis and research. Failing that, I would sign on as a rough carpenter, or maybe as a militiaman, assigned to guard the perimeter.
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  • Posted by $ TimCutler 11 years, 10 months ago
    OK - I'm halfway to the Gulch already. No problem putting a large inventory of rare books up for auction and repurposing the proceeds to farming. Might go to Chile.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 10 months ago
    I'm a potter. I could supply all the needs of the valley. From dishes for eating to such articles of ceramic the valley would need. From ceramic insulators for electric lines to flower pots to artistic decorations.

    I'd love to set up a new studio in the valley's art district.
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 11 years, 10 months ago
    In the outside world, I am retired, with a daughter starting college this summer (Art Institute-Dallas). In the Gulch, I am a gadfly who buzzes about stirring discussion, mostly cordial, sometimes vituperative, but in the main, fun. I can saw a board, hit a nail (sometimes using a hammer), cut down a tree, split wood, use an idiot stick, parse a sentence, cook a solid meal and make bread. Then I get to the hard stuff.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
    Didn't the Gulch do almost no trade with the outside world? So in a Gulch I would probably do general equipment repair. I would be learning how to print parts on a 3D printer. I would hope the equipment repair would lead to see some problems that start with something being broken and not being able to buy a replacement, but which are actually opportunities to do something a new way. But most of the time, I would be doing a lot of less-exciting tech, electrician, and IT work, at least until a more advanced economy developed.

    I really hope someone creates a micronation like the Gulch BUT not cut off from the world. My wife could attend a legal conference on the seastead and my kids could go to a one-day hackerspace classes on UAVs or Python. They could also have a waterpark for kids in the evening, and rooftop bar with Indian developers drinking tea, some Israeli program managers who license software from a firm on the seastead, a bunch of attorneys there for the conference, and a few rich kids from Germany sipping drinks with Ketamine talking about Herman Hesse.

    The type of Gulch you're talking about, though, is about a thousand miles northeast of Irkutsk. In that kind of place, you have to learn to be jack of all trades and enjoy borscht and cucumbers-- no indulgent tourists with the vacation/conferences.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
      Dear CircuitGuy,
      I am doing 3D printing of tissue scaffolding, and soon I am going to be 3D printing metals, too. Python is actually the language of 3D printers. My daughter took a course in Python as part of the Florida Virtual School (online).
      I have two printers from http://www.3dstuffmaker.com. Interested in working collaboratively?

      Re: Didn't the Gulch do almost no trade with the outside world?
      I actually questioned myself about my previous ethics of taking money to convert plant and animal waste into biofuels, energy, and chemicals from environmentalists. It was a fair trade, and I took a peculiar joy in looting the looters, but it felt odd dealing with people outside the Gulch.

      A major part of my purpose in this thread is to have everyone find out who does what so that we can do commerce with our Gulch colleagues.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
        "Interested in working collaboratively? "
        I'm always interested if there's something to do with technology. I'm happy to be fully busy right now, but I'm always looking for a way to do more stuff with technology.
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
          Regarding the 3D printing, check out the American Ceramics Society Bulletin this month. Their cover story is a nice intro to the topic. The common terminology in the field is "additive manufacturing", although there are several forms of it such as fused deposition modeling, laser sintering, etc.
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
          I am pretty excited about 3D printing of metals. Imagine having the equivalent of a desktop CNC.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
            In some ways 3D printing is like computers were 25 years ago. It has been around for a long time, but suddenly hobbyists are starting to use it at home. Some people say every home will have one, but it's hard to imagine.
            http://www.element14.com/community/group...
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            • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
              I send out a weekly e-mail blast to my students, alumni, and local professional section members that includes sections on jobs, news, seminars, etc. 3D printing news goes into Section 25.
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              • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
                Anyone interested in this e-mail blast should send me an e-mail at jbrenner@fit.edu. It won't cost me any more work and could be a really nice investment in Gulch commerce for me. Perhaps my Gulch job will be newsletter publisher.
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
                  I will. I considered going to FIT. "won't cost me any more work" = "no me cuesta más trabajo". I lived in FL for 20 years. Many FL sayings sound more natural to me in Spanish, probably b/c of the Spanish-speaking population there. I'm from Madison, but I spent some formative years in FL.
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                  • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
                    I'll add you to the list. I don't have a whole lot that EE's like yourself would be interested in in the newsletter. I sent the newsletter out yesterday. Download http://my.fit.edu/~jbrenner/aiche033114....
                    for yesterday's newsletter. I'll have you on the list for next weekend's issue.
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                    • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
                      It reminds me of our local IEEE newsletter. I provide a list of every EE job opening I've heard of in the past month.
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                      • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
                        FIT is way better now than it was when you considered it. Half of the buildings are new since 2000.

                        Chemical engineering, biomedical engineering, and non ChE/BME jobs are in section 3.
                        The beginning of the newsletter delineates sections for the newsletter. You were interested in 3D printing. That is section 25.
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                        • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
                          I love UF, but I didn't select it for intelligent reasons. If I could go back in time, I'd do 100 things differently in the education process. I would know which questions to ask. Maybe I would still have ended up at UF, but it would have been more thought-out.
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                          • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
                            While I do lose students to UF and unwillingly pay some taxes to support them, I will not run them down. UF is a fine university, especially their basketball team. My Michigan Wolverines put up a good game today, but couldn't make it to where UF will be next weekend. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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                            • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
                              In fact, we just hired two biomedical engineering professors from UF in the last year, including the guy (Larry Hench) who invented BioGlass (a synthetic bone that integrates well with surrounding tissue).
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 10 months ago
        "taking money to convert plant and animal waste into biofuels, energy, and chemicals from environmentalists"
        There's nothing wrong with doing work for money. I don't know if biofuels will ever scale up, but supposedly they're carbon neutral. There's an off chance the technology will lead to some way to harness energy that doesn't destroy our environment. That would be a huge creation of value, solving one of the biggest problems of our time. Even if it doesn't scale up, you've tried something new and done something to reduce the costs of damage to the environment.
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
          I did work for money. Definitely OK. The environmental benefit was decent. It wasn't a driver for me, but if it made my customers feel better about themselves, that's fine with me. The ethics in question were doing work with people who never want to be Gulch members. I don't have a problem with it.
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
          Biofuels won't scale up for $ unless you make chemicals from them. Biofuels are revenue neutral, but they could be used as a backup or interim to anything that Galt or Ellis Wyatt might do longer term in Atlantis.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
      For instance, I plan on reading books by Khalling and AJAshinoff and tjpatt4 this summer. I am talking with a couple of other well-known people in the Gulch about commerce with them as well.
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  • Posted by ShruginArgentina 11 years, 10 months ago
    In the outside world I perform home and landscape maintenance, tend my garden, cook for myself and friends, and work on a "script" (for a film) about "Going Galt" in Argentina.

    In the Gulch I perform home and landscape maintenance, tend my garden, cook for myself and friends, and work on a "script" (for a stage play) about "Going Galt" in Argentina
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    • Posted by ShruginArgentina 11 years, 10 months ago
      I should add that my present home IS my gulch, but am not trying to develop a "gulch" that is an "expat" enclave. I think that, in time of crisis in a a city or town when the locals might be rioting and looting, a concentration of (comparatively) wealthy expats would be sitting ducks for the looters.

      My idea of "Going Galt" was to blend into a very small community and become relatively invisible. My neighbors know I'm a foreigner but I don't look or act wealthy (my 20 year old Peugeot reinforces this image).

      I wrote more about this in this topic:

      http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/2f...

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      • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
        Shrug in Argentina, I have a lot of respect for you and our friend in Venezuela. Things have gotten worse than they were in America, but in those countries, it is an order of magnitude worse.
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        • Posted by ShruginArgentina 11 years, 10 months ago
          Because you used the past tense regarding America it is difficult to know exactly what period of American history to which you are referring.

          There is very little to compare Argentina and Venezuela. Both are in South America, but there is no civil unrest in Argentina.

          No one is rioting or being killed in the streets.

          There is no shortages of goods in general with the exception of some imports, but the grocery stores are well stocked and there is no panic buying.

          There has not been a government takeover of the wonderful (and affordable) private health care system and no agency like the EPA interfering with individuals like me (living in a semi rural area).

          And there is no agency like the NSA storing my phone records or emails.


          Many Argentines are unhappy with the level of corruption in their government and recent inflation, but there are very few homes with mortgages and very few homes without bars or serious shutters on the windows...something that might be desirable in America in the not too distant future.
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  • Posted by motor 11 years, 10 months ago
    I'd do what I do now. Massage ..deep tissue , sewing and massive vegetable gardening and canning. I'd sell my veggies to the local diner and put my name and number on the diners bulletin board for clothes repair, ironing, laundry, baby sitting,house cleaning, weeding.. anything...I've never not had a job( since I was 12) I've been completely self employed for 21 years and always had side jobs when employed for others. I'd have to get to The Gulch and see whats up and where there's a profit to be made.
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  • Posted by H6163741 11 years, 10 months ago
    I handle injury claims for an auto insurance company, which basically means that I try to outfox the looters (people who think they deserve something for nothing as well as their attorneys and chiropractors). I'm not sure what I would do in Galt's Gulch. Any suggestions?
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
      Outfoxing the looters sounds like something Ragnar might do. The book said that we probably wouldn't need any judges in the Gulch. However, we do have need in the Gulch discussions of an arbitrator on occasion. Up for it?
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  • Posted by Stormi 11 years, 10 months ago
    Although technically "retired", my husband, a CPA, and I are always busy. He continues to work three days a week in finance for an international manufacturer. He says he does not know what else he would do. However, he still tills a mean garden, while I freeze the products. In the past we have added a raised covered cedar deck to our homes, ourselves. This year, we went Usonian and redid our kitchen walls in cedar and stone, he does good woodworking. I do mean stone work. That finished, he changed the color of the soffits while I did the same with all the window frames. Before I retired, I worked in computers, then in accounting and finally in journalism. We still run a very small business at home for accounting, where I am the IT person.
    My dad always said "Don't own anything you can't work on." Well, cars have moved beyond the days I changed my old Vette's breather element, but the philosophy is a good one. The more we can and are willing to tackle, the more we are free. I also am the toilet fixer. I sew also.
    In a the Gulch, I would be known as one who spreads the word about history repeating itself if one fails to remember it, while doing anything that needs done. My husband is the same way. Need it done, he is there to give it a try.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 10 months ago
    I have had several careers in my 80 years. Musician, photographer, store owner, writer, publisher. In the Gulch, and being 25 again, I would follow the dream I hadn't the courage to do back then; I would compose music. I hope that there would be artists, writers, actors, musicians in as much abundance as scientists, tradesmen and shopkeepers.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
      Richard Halley did take on an apprentice. Herb7734, you might be that apprentice. Do we have a Richard Halley in Atlantis yet?
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
        Or perhaps a Neil Pert or Dennis DeYoung?
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
          I am not a composer like Halley. I have written a couple of songs for my band in high school, "The Garage Band". I can sing like Dennis DeYoung, but my saxophone playing was not even second-rate. If you need anyone to sing like Dennis DeYoung (Styx), Freddie Mercury (Queen), Steve Perry (Journey), or any of the Beatles, I have performed their songs in public. I am not in their league, but I'm like a 2 handicapper in golf (excellent, just not professional). Don't ask me to dance. That was the biggest reason that I didn't turn music into a day job. Chemical engineering and materials science are more my cup of tea now.

          I used to sing the national anthem at minor league baseball games, but since I've shrugged, I just can't have the same enthusiasm for America that I once did. It is hard to perform at a sufficiently high level once you have lost some of that passion. I still have passion for singing some rock-n-roll, but not music prior to baseball games anymore.

          We did have a pretty good band. Our saxophonist could pick up a new instrument and within a week be better than anyone I knew. Truly gifted!
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          • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
            Styx (and DdeY) is the most underrated band in R&R history (and still not in the R&R HoF). The only band to have #1 hits in 4 different decades - not even the Beatles or Stones did that. I was privileged to see them in their last tour together - 1996 at the Burlington Steamboat Days.
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            • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
              Tonight's the night we'll make history ...
              Baby, you and I (sic) ...
              I still love singing songs by Styx.

              I can go into a very lengthy discussion about Styx, but this is not the appropriate forum for it. If someone would like to discuss this privately, please send me a private message.
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            • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
              What is left of Styx still comes here to Melbourne, FL every couple of years.
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              • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
                History: The two Panozzo brothers and Dennis DeY were the first members with JY joining very soon thereafter. Several years later Tommy Shaw joined and that was the band through the majority of their ride at the top of the charts. After Kilroy (Mr. Robotto) DdeY wanted to do more rock opera types of compilations and the rest (mostly lead by Tommy it seems) just wanted to be rockers. There was a split and some bad feelings - John Panozzo died just a month after the concert that I saw in '96 (he wasn't there as he was very sick). Chuck P is gay and I think that is the rift between most of the band and DdeY, as he is devoutly Catholic. I go to both Styx concerts and DdeY concerts as they are both great, just not as good as when they were all together. Sorry for hijacking the thread for a bit of history. People wonder why Objectivism won't work - and I say that it is because of the nature of humankind. Jealousy's and control are aspects that I don't think can ever be eliminated. This is just a microcosm of that.
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  • Posted by Lana 11 years, 10 months ago
    I'm a computer programmer. I specialize in cyber security, data warehousing, data analysis and scenario generators for understanding the outcomes from choices made. In Galt's Gulch I could head up a cyber unit to gather intelligence or generate a cyber attack. I could create scenario generators for coming up with the best strategies for almost any purpose.
    Galt's Gulch needs creative people like me.
    I can create revenue generating software.....
    I also love gardening and have tried to use natural remedies to combat pests. .I think a garden should be a work of art. I am very interested in soil restoration and building very economical greenhouses. I am also an artist and a gourmet cook. It's all about blending your components to make something elegant, balanced and beautiful.
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  • Posted by squareone 11 years, 10 months ago
    I was a dentist. With a little brush up I could deliver a mean root canal - and other treatments. I am now a business manager, well versed in dealing with government and in public relations. I could possibly be a manager of some sort or a photographer ( I have won many local and regional awards for my photography).
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 10 months ago
    Well currently I teach professors how to teach their classes on the LCMS here at the community college that I work at along with teaching a few entry level computer classes. In the past I have worked with my hands in many different fields to include lumber, construction, dairy and the military working with high explosives and truck driving. So in the Gulch I could be a jack of all trades and fill in anywhere my skills would be the most productive. As a hobby I make 1 off pictures in ceramic tile with my one of a kind hand built wet scroll saw.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
    I haven't seen any people yet who want to start fast food joints or any pizza delivery people either as Shrug jobs or in Atlantis.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 10 months ago
      There is a cafe. Kay Ludlow is a waitress there.... Hmmm...

      There's an idea. Go back to being a line cook. Worked my way through school doing kitchen work, everything from potwasher to sous chef. Fun, tho at times exhausting, work. always figured... People Gotta Eat. Or get a cuppa coffee brewed for them. Breakfast anyone?
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      • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
        I'll gladly come to the eateries in Atlantis.
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        • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 10 months ago
          When I was really young, I wanted to own one of those railcar diners that used to be so popular (but, sadly, are mostly long long gone)... slinging homemade hash and serving up 10¢ a cup coffee (of course, that's 10¢ in silver, thank you!), 49 cent burgers to die for (with fries), 2 bit beers and $2.95 steak dinners. Something really genuine about those places! Call it... "Mom's Diner". Just because.

          (Hope that put a smile on some people's faces!)
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago

    Because my university has increased its enrollment so much in recent years, our career placement within 6 months has gone down from 98% to 95%. This isn't bad considering how bad the economy is, but to prevent it from going down further, both of my departments concluded we should do more to help our students get jobs. Consequently, I now put together a newsletter with chemical, biomedical, and materials engineering jobs, news, seminars, etc. Info on 3D printing and nanotech are also featured in the newsletter. Today's sample is at
    http://my.fit.edu/~jbrenner/aiche033114....
    If you want added to the list, e-mail me at jbrenner@fit.edu
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