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Who not to vote for...

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 1 month ago to Culture
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Tough love and a good laugh...
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 1 month ago
    Yes, it was funny and good for a laugh. I think that I would have laughed harder, but sadly what he said was so true. Most of the candidates have a Santa Claus complex. I wonder if we will ever live to see a candidate who is an originalist when it comes to the constitution.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      Ted Cruz is...watched him for a long time...he has fought and won against the Government many times...People don't like him cause he has principles and he believes in a creator.

      If he comes to Conn. I will give him a copy of my book and he might begin to think of creation, the creator and the teachings in a more conscious quantum way...(that's his only stumbling block for those that want to make it up on their own).
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      • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 1 month ago
        According to Rush Limbaugh, Cruz is a principled Conservative. I agree with "freedomforall"... The GOP will stand in his way. Again, we are letting the Ruling Class of both parties and the media choose our candidate.
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        • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 1 month ago
          Suzanne! Did you miss the last four or so Prez elections or something?!
          That's exactly what's been going on for several decades!
          And it's the Electorate's Fault for buying into and supporting that Process!

          [hugs, though...]
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
        Unfortunately, Cruz lies and pulls nasty tricks. Maybe his version of "god' tells him to do that. Who knows. Anyway, he wont be in a position of power fortunately.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          What nasty tricks...you listen too much to the lamestream idiots.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
            Cruz published that Carson was pulling out when he wasnt- and suggested Carson's supporters vote for Cruz instead.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
              That was not a trick, cnn screwed up and it wasn't cruz, it was his C manager...whom is now fired

              Rubio C did the same thing but escaped the bite on the ass.

              If you want dirty tricks and lies look to trump...he's an ignorant loose cannon
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              • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 1 month ago
                OUCarl, don't you find it in the least fascinating that the guy You call the Loose Cannon seems to have had so much success, so far, in getting voter percentages and support ?!

                Isn't A==A?

                :)
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                  He taps into anger like hitler did...dangerous.

                  We need the G to adhere to the constitution and we need a person with strict constitutional principles...we let the FG get away with too much crap.
                  I understand the anger but it's not the American way to do it.
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                  • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 1 month ago
                    I can't find fault with your goals or opinions, but "cultures change" and what we're seeing today IS voter dissatisfaction with crony politicians and what they've done to the country, not For the country.
                    When Trump first tossed his hat in, I concluded that his 'strange' style would be VERY appealing to what I thought was a vast majority of voters fed up with what Politicians have done to the country for scores of years.
                    I think I was right back then and still am.
                    Yes, Trump could be a Very Scary President in his own ways... I strongly disagree with some of his views on trade, economics, and religion, but I also believe that the higher risk to the US is to continue down the socialist death-spiral with Bernie OR Hillary.
                    Problem for me still is: I'm an Atheist, and I don't see ANY of the (R) candidates being anything less than bible-thumpers at heart. I want a Critical Thinker in the WH, not someone who turns to their preacher, minister, pastor or bible for "The Answers."
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                    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                      Truthfully...my observation is that perhaps trump only engages the conscious level meme of do what ever you have to... to succeed - moral or immoral...makes no difference...that is a crony political attitude and sadly a business attitude for most...as I said, no principles...we cannot have a federal republic with out principles.

                      In other words...I don't think trump is that smart...outside of business ideas, he is compartmentalized and cannot engage his mind.
                      otherwise he would of studied the constitution and had been talking more about making government smaller.
                      He has been part of the system we need to abolish.
                      That's my take, my observation over the years regarding trump.

                      Principled, disciplined, accountable and appreciative bible readers are the best people to trust...even if it was a pagan bicameral fear of consequences that drives them to be good and fair.
                      That is not the case with Ted...I have followed his career for years now.

                      My displeasure with "religion" is much like yours...except I always knew there was some value there but was confounded with mysticism.
                      That's why, as a small part of my work and perhaps the most important, is to unconfound it, demystify it and get at the quantum physical conscious truth of it.
                      Keep in mind that even the OT, T and the NT are still all expressed in pre-conscious (bicameral) language. That's what I learned from the work of Julian Jaynes: The breakdown of the bicameral mind.
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                      • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 1 month ago
                        Yep, that scares me about him, too.
                        Then I look at the alternatives.
                        I just haven't encountered many, if any, "Principled, disciplined, accountable and appreciative bible readers" in my life.
                        I think too many people claim or assume that bible-reading automatically implies or enables the rest of the list to be characteristic(s) of the 'readers.'
                        I've encountered only two or three 'bible readers' who I actually felt were "holy persons" with those other characteristics, but my belief is that those were their characteristics long before they connected with any bible.
                        imnsho... :)
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                        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                          That's the problem with the "religion" organization of the discoveries, observations and discussions of bicameral (preconscious) man.
                          Those that teach/organize are bicamerally compartmentalized also even though they might be consciously integrated otherwise.
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  • Posted by jimslag 8 years, 1 month ago
    Love Prager, they put out some good info in those funny videos. Anyway, The Big Government Party has done just about everything he talked about. They try to tell us how to run our lives and then they provide the income distribution from those that do to those that don't. Don't get me wrong, I believe there are people who need help and they should get it, however most do not need it, they need tough love not government handouts. I live in a small town based on railroad, agriculture and the service industry. Lots of good people but lots of indolent people also. Some of the people I know run businesses, either as owner or as manager. They have issues with people working for a couple of weeks and then once that paycheck shows up, boom, they don't show up for work because they got high or their paycheck was used for bail money or something else really stupid. Meth is a big problem here as it is in most places and they jail is overflowing especially right after payday. It is crazy and the cops know where and when to do the busts. Don't go in the grocery stores near the first of the month, that is when everybody gets their SNAP benefits. Out of the 47 million or so on SNAP, I would say 18 thousand or so live in the town of 32 thousand. I am being facetious but the hard workers here are seriously outnumbered.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 1 month ago
    That eliminates all the candidates from the GOP and the Dems.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      The only promise I've heard from Cruz is to limit government and get back to the rule of law in the constitution.
      As far as the middle east is concerned, no matter whom gets in, we're gona be kickin butt there for a long time.
      Maybe we should enlist the prescription drug addict companies to make a pill for pagan barbarianism.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 1 month ago
        If Cruz is the real thing it won't matter. The GOP will not let him represent them.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 1 month ago
          I knew that when I voted for Cruz yesterday.
          Later my son said friends of his were voted for Cruz.
          Guess they knew what I knew but felt but just had to make a statement about sticking to grounded conservative principles.
          Trump of course beat Cruz with whatever principles he may have floating in the air.
          David Duke? Who is David Duke? Let's talk about how bad the KKK is after they help me beat Rubio and Cruz.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          Sad but that's the rub. Proof the, Stalinist, marxist progressive left has indeed invaded the Republican party just as predicted in: The Naked Communist back in 1958. That mindless set goes further back than that as I infer in my book.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
            Hopefully Trump will become president. He is moving quickly towards that. He has support across all the demographics. All he has to do to make America great again is to get government out of the way and let US make America great.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago
              I'd be real careful about putting that all on Trump when he hasn't yet committed to either a balanced budget or reduced social services. He is a fan of government spending, higher taxes, and government-run healthcare, however. He's said as much.
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              • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                All the president can do is veto things the congress passes, though. He can be inspirational however, and perhaps give the people in the US a bit more energy.
                Hildebeast and Sanders really want to increase taxes and take away freedoms though. They are specifically evil. Of the group, Trump is our best shot in my opinion. I dont think he would do things tht hurt our economy like the others. And I doubt he is into religious zealotry.
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                • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago
                  "All the president can do is veto things the congress passes, though."

                  When asked, Trump said he liked the idea of using Executive Actions like Obama has. I would prefer someone who wasn't quite so willing to go it alone when he didn't get his way.

                  "Hildebeast and Sanders really want to increase taxes and take away freedoms though."

                  Yes, they do - especially Hillary. She'd like nothing more than to become Queen.

                  "I dont think he would do things tht hurt our economy like the others."

                  I'd sure love to see more specific policy statements from him on those matters. So far, there's not much to go on and that's scary. And he will have to do more than just "not hurt" the economy, he's actually got to encourage positive change. We're on a collision course with bankruptcy and collapse that is going to take a real leader and serious change to avoid. I don't see him advocating for a change in course on economic policy, and no specifics about how he's going to "make American great again." I want those specifics.

                  I'm not the common, uninformed voter who relies on endorsements and heady platitudes. I want substance. I look at history. I look at the current field and see a doddering, delusional old man, the devil incarnate in a pantsuit, an outsider, a bloviating narcissist, and an establishment shill, aside from a well-meaning but out-of-his-league passivist and an unknown aspirant.
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                  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                    Government cant make America great again. All it can do is get out of the way and let US make America great again. That means we have to give less $$ to the government to control us, and ignore more of the government rules so we can operate efficiently. All Trump would have to do is reduce enforcement of the current laws actually.

                    Buying from china and sending them paper dollars has helped our economy by avoiding a lot of government red tape. I know how to make most of the items my small company buys from china, but dealing with US employees and laws is such an expensive proposition we just couldnt stay alive that way.
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                    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago
                      "Government cant make America great again. All it can do is get out of the way..."

                      COMPLETELY AGREE. But in order to allow the economy to work, government has to actively remove the chains already in place. Ignoring the chains, restrictions, and bureaucracy isn't going to do anything.

                      "All Trump would have to do is reduce enforcement of the current laws actually."

                      I'm actually shocked that you would advocate for an Executive that doesn't enforce the laws. That's what we've had with Obama: selective enforcement. It's gotten us nowhere good. We need an Executive that will work with Congress and advocate to the People the necessity of repealing many of the existing laws currently hampering business. We need an Executive who will rescind the Executive Orders which just keep adding to that $2 TRILLION of annual regulatory burden. I'd really like to hear Trump come out and say that these are the actions he would take. It would do a lot for my confidence in him. Instead, he comes out saying that he'd rather increase taxes, or that he just likes a different version of government-run healthcare.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
        More evil has been done in the name of religion than ever was done in the name of barbarism.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago
          Socialism is a religion. I think it currently takes the cake for evil.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
            Definitely evil for sure. Its a strange religion tho, in that it seems to be more run by consensus than a document. It changes all the time depending on who gets the goodies and who pays for them.

            It is a war, and we do need to take sides. Socialism is really bad. At least Sanders tells us straight up where he is at. Hillary is the same, but hides it
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        • Posted by Ben_C 8 years, 1 month ago
          What religion and what evil? Easy generalization to make - back it up with facts.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
            Pretty much all of them. Muslims for their kill the infidels, Christianity for the dark ages and the crusades. How about George Bush with his "god is on our side", followed by Saddam with "god is on OUR side". If you want a good expose watch RELIGULOUS by Bill Mayer. The problem with religion is that it is anti facts. Whats in some book supposedly written eons ago is determined to be the "truth", and thats that.

            How about the anti same sex marriage , and anti gay proclamations in most of the religions today?
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            • Posted by Ben_C 8 years, 1 month ago
              I agree that Sharia Law is evil by our standards. Remember that the Crusades were a response to Islam's invasion into Western Europe. Justifying any war based on theology is fraught with contradictions. Better it be on accepted moral standards, the value of human life, and reactive not proactive. Something about WMD comes to mind. Social norms are another matter. For me it has less to do with sexual preference and more to do with the family unit. Religious zealots better get over it otherwise disharmony will persist and families will become further fragmented. If a gay couple can raise a child to be a productive citizen then more power to them. The church better accept this premise rather than justify straight dysfunctional families because they are straight. And don't get me started on the effects of LBJ's "The War on Poverty"........
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          Only islam...fallen idiots, Canaanites, islam, jim jones, satanism, communism, marxism were all barbaric in nature...also any leader; country or religion that was not consciously human.
          But the concept, proven by quantum science that something created the cosmos and everything in it- directly or by consequence is not barbaric.
          Your beef is not with the concept but with brain only humanoid's.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
            I suppose it is theoretically possible that some omnipotent and omniscent "god" creeated all this out of nothing. Just there is no evidence that this happened, and the god that did it seems to be invisible and unknowable.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
              Now that's the problem..."God" that's a pagan bicameral term.
              We don't know what it is...but us and everything we see didn't start itself...it's waaay too specific.
              It's simply "the creator or creation...simple stupid.

              Myself, in a rational scientific investigation see the consequences of creation more of a proxy of a direct connection than a direct one like the bicameral speak thinks...either way, it's obvious that life is favored and conscious life might very well be chosen...so to speak.

              Just look up a quantum event...it's been observed and measured.

              It's not mystical, it's quantum physical.
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              • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                sounds bogus and anti the way the world works, though. Where is this "god" , creator, or whatever? How come it doesnt seem to be among us. Good things come from this god, and all bad things only come from the alternative "god" called the devil, who has similar but not so strong powers. Its just a bit much to swallow.
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                  Cause it's not a direct connection...it's not personal in that sense...like I said, our connection is with the ether via our consciousness...it's not some guy in the sky.
                  good/evil is order/disorder
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                  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                    To the extent " religious good" is practical and works in everyday life, its probably closely aligned with the facts of reality. The problem comes in when its impractical, like "turn the other cheek"
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                    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                      Another misunderstood phrase...it actually means, don't let it define you...lead with the undamaged side of you...(baring a grudge)
                      Dennis at Prager University has some really good video explanations of these things.
                      Sadly...most do not teach this stuff.

                      Religious good/facts of reality...just like Ayn's discussion of ethics?...same with Aristotle...like I said and have learned...it's not mystical, it's quantum physical. It's also...in one's rational self interest, to be good. That's what is being talked about...only in a nonconscious bicameral way.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 1 month ago
    I don't like Cruz because he lies and then says his god told him it was okay --- otherwise, as a good godist, he would never do such things as lie and cheat. Besides, he loves war. If the US were to continue or start all the wars Cruz loves, one would need a CPA to keep track.

    But, since none of those running are "good" from an Objectivist prspective, at least Trump is shaking up the establishment and he likes to make a deal. The others only want naked power. The Libertarian Convention has not yet been held, and perhaps many of those who are Cruzistas will see the value in the LP as the alternative.
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    • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 1 month ago
      Yep, probably minus votes from the local religionists, but I gave you back a +1 since I'm an atheist.
      https://youtu.be/eE6ica0t95Q really is a Good Clip!
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      • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 1 month ago
        Thank you. I need every vote. I assume all at the Gulch are atheists---but that is on the assumption all are Objectivists. Therein may lie my mistake.
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        • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 1 month ago
          Bad Assumption... Many are libertarians or conservatives, and religious feelings run broad and deep.
          I've been taken behind the woodshed here many times by 'believers.'
          Your mileage may vary. Closed course; professional thinkers only!
          :D
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          • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 1 month ago
            Other than a penchant to argue, what would attract a godist to the Gulch? I have noticed a few who were pounding the bible so much I thought they were joking. I guess not.
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            • Posted by ajsenti 8 years, 1 month ago
              Esceptico, some I think do not believe "atheism" exists. It's a theoretical oxymoron. It could be compared by some to the self-delusion of darkness being a thing, i.e. illogical. Just a thought. :)
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              • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 1 month ago
                I have had some Christians tell me I am not "really" an atheist. Somehow, even though they are atheists as to all gods except their own, they cannot grasp taking it one god further to not believe in.
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                  In Truth and reason: it's not mystical. it's quantum physical...the reminisce of the bicameral brain in many still takes priority over the mind. We've only had 5000 years to consistently think in the mind and leave the brain to it's own tasks. (sarcasm)

                  Evolution of thoughts and concepts takes too much time and inhibits our mind.
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                  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 1 month ago
                    Probably half of the 5,000 years. I'd put Thales as the first to think about thinking (meta cognition), followed by Aristotle. Not even a blink of an eye in the 4.58 billion years of the world.
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                    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                      After reading a bit of Aristotle I realize he was aware of the early changes taking place with the awareness of men...not to mention realizing that the traditional rulers were not quite like the rest of us...something Plato didn't get till much later in life. [ it was the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker that were the true hero's of society.] - my integration
                      I think that the evolution of consciousness has evolved much slower than Julian Jaynes might of imagined.
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                      • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 1 month ago
                        You are most likely correct. It is has only been in the last few years (10-15) that neuroscience learned the frontal cortex does not mature until a human is in the early to mid 20s. That, combined with evolutionary psychological advancements, impressively shows us how we got to where we are today. I must say I do not agree with Jaynes' definition of consciousness because I am sure my dogs are conscious but not able to be aware they are aware.
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                        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                          All life is aware of it's environment and mammals aware of others with in it...that does not infer consciousness. It's always been describes as being aware of your own awareness as you said; However, if you follow the trail, so to speak., from the right hemisphere which produces the vision and the voice is the room that eventually leads to the subconscious which is like a hallway to the mind, which is a consequence of the vibratory energy our brains transceive. The mind resides around our heads like an electromagnetic field and that field is a part of the ether.
                          If we go back to the eye at the tip of the pyramid, we begin to understand that with a mind we can view ourselves being aware of that awareness.

                          You might find it amusing that I consider the ether: The ethernet for the mind. where true knowledge and wisdom comes from. Our brains, however amazing, is relegated to compartmentalized survival information.

                          We might find the "brain only" creatures in our culture and government a pain in the Butt, but on some level we might marvel at their ability to monkey see, monkey do a sometimes convincing imitation of consciousness.
                          However...I don't think we should be flattered.
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                          • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 1 month ago
                            A few years ago I took a 12 lecture course from the Great Courses on the subject of consciousness. Here is the course summary. (And, for even more fun, I took an online course from Duke University in “dog psychology.”)

                            Course Summary
                            The subject of consciousness is among the most vexing in both philosophy and science, and no less tractable in psychology, where the conceptual problems are often neglected. As a “state,” consciousness seems resistant to translation into physical terms and measurements, though its dependence on a healthy nervous system appears to be as close to a “cause-effect” relationship as any in the natural sciences.

                            The aim and scope of these 12 lectures must be modest, for the subject is as vast as that of human and animal awareness. What I hope to convey may be distilled into four main points: First, that consciousness and mental life are sui generis; they are not “like” anything else. They are not like anything that is material or physical and seem to require for their fuller understanding a science not yet available, if ever available.

                            Second, what distinguishes consciousness (and the term presupposes consciousness of something) from all else is its phenomenology—there is something it is like to be “conscious” that is different from all other facts of nature.

                            Third, conscious awareness is a power possessed by the normal percipient, including non-human percipients. This power is such that much that impinges on the sense organs is filtered out and sometimes only the weakest but the most “meaningful” of occurrences gains entrance.

                            Fourth, such powers vary over the course of a lifetime, are subject to disease and defect, and thus, lead to questions of profound ethical consequence.

                            Here, then, is a topic in which science, philosophy, medicine, and ethics are merged, the result being issues at once intriguing and unsettling.

                            All of which means, I doubt we can settle the issue here.
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                            • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                              I love discussing this, I'm still putting this together in a way that will be articulated in my next book...in progress.
                              Thanks.
                              Your correct, it's not settled but there are some that think I've moved the bar a little, to better understanding.
                              The course was correct to point out that it's not physical and as I now know...it's not even in your head.
                              To try and convey this idea is a little saying that we learned in English class: Me, Myself and I;
                              Me is the brain in the body of myself made whole and conscious by the I.
                              This "I", this sense of "Iness" is a conscious identity. some would say it's immortal in a quantum energy sense. But its a different sense of self than say Fraud's "Ego" which is a false but needed identity.

                              A quantum sense of identity, versus an Ego of the brain is still the major division in our world and it's not just prevalent in the animal kingdom, it exists in human life also. To have a quantum conscious gives one conscience but if your only a body with a brain...there is no conscience.

                              If you observe closely...it is self evident.
                              Yes, sometimes the workings of it can be hindered by disease, genetics or psychosis but in the end, it comes down to whether one has the potential or desire to be.

                              PS...what did you learn about the psy. of our best friends?
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