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Civil Liberties and "The good news"?

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 2 months ago to Government
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Interesting take...never looked at it this way.

Isn't this what we discuss most of the time?
SOURCE URL: http://teapartyeconomist.com/2016/02/27/civil-liberties-the-good-news/


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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 2 months ago
    In our country ALL government employees (otherwise known as civil SERVANTS) support ALL the other government employees. ALL government employees will not jeopardize their individual positions by saying another government employee has done something wrong. So when one government employee takes it upon him/her self to impose their will on an individuals civil liberty the government employee more often than not gets away with it.
    It is just the way things are today. Money is singularly not even remotely a question for government employees. As my proof I offer you the entirety of the government of the usa!!!!
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 2 months ago
    Rand said something like 'Proper definitions and use of words and terms is the first line of defense of Reason.'
    That's particularly true when dealing with Rights and the concept of 'Civil Liberties' vs Natural Individual Rights.
    If one is confused about what rights are and where they originate, then it's easier to be convinced to give them up.
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    • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 2 months ago
      I don't think there is any "versus". You have the inalienable right to live your life as you please except for infringing on the right of others to do the same or (provably) harming them.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 2 months ago
        Civil Liberties/Rights involve a government and legal arguments. Natural Individual Rights originate with owning oneself and are yours regardless of government or society.
        They are conflated and confused in order to impose government rules on deciding what they are and limitations on them. Big difference.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 2 months ago
    The additional comment that I would make to that excellent and insightful article is that many technologies have passed through a big business phase and are now in (or approaching) a disseminated phase.

    It used to be that you could not publish a book unless you convinced a publisher to do so; then - as publishing got less expensive - people could pay to have their book published. Now, you can self-publish on the internet for free.

    Power still primarily goes through big business electrical lines and sewage is piped miles to be processed, but solar power and self-processing house-sized systems are making high tech sufficiency more plausible.

    3D printers are the next step. They will eventually allow the production of goods, clothes, and probably even some food locally. You will have to be supplied with the basic materials cartridges for the 3D printer, but you will be able to print a toaster...and you will never wear 'your favorite shirt' out, because you can just print up another copy of it.

    Jan
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 2 months ago
      The main value publishers still provide in this day is advertising and product placement. The actual publishing is secondary, but directly tied to creating demand for the product.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 2 months ago
        Yet a number of popular books have not followed that path: Quarter Share series, Liaden series, and The Martian. These were all published online and word spread as to how good they were.

        Jan
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
          Hmm, but it's a lot of work, still for a new author and one with limited knowledge of online promotions. It's taken me since 2012 to reach 110,000 downloads of my first book.
          It's been a learning experience though.

          Next one will go mainstream...if I ever get the damn thing done.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 2 months ago
          Oh, I agree. I'm not trying to say alternate methods of dissemination shouldn't be tolerated. I'm just pointing out that these are the value-adds authors must do themselves when self-publishing. New authors rarely do it because they are so unknown they have no marketing base to work from: word-of-mouth is very difficult to achieve among authors even in today's ultra-connected world. Unless one has their book mentioned by a popular talk show, it is more likely to remain obscure. This is even more likely in the sci-fi/fantasy genre because the market is less than 1/10th the size than for popular fiction.

          I attended a Writers of the Future Workshop and several very popular Sci-Fi/Fantasy authors including Rebecca Moestra, Kevin Anderson, Brandon Sanderson, Dave Wolverton and Eric Flint went through the whole process of publishing - including self-publishing. All of them - despite their fame - still recommended using a publishing house to get started.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 2 months ago
    We have to change the philosophy of the country,
    by converting the population. This will take time.
    A long time.
    One problem I have is that people seem to think
    that it is only the Federal government which needs to be restricted. I agree, it has over-
    reached, and should be put in its place, but I
    don't want citizens to handed over to their state
    governments as serfs, either. I want govern-
    ment
    , as such, to be cut and put in its place.
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    • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 2 months ago
      We don't have a long time. At this rate the country is in for a major and deadly cataclysm within a few years. So now what?
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 2 months ago
        No, we are in a sort of emergency situation now.
        There is at present no ideal candidate. While having
        some grave reservations concerning Cruz, I think
        he is the best alternative available at this time. Trump seems to me like an incipient dictator.
        Not to be repetitious, but he is no free-enter-
        prise man, he has praised eminent domain,
        bragged about his lack of principle, and even
        said he could change his positions based on
        (political?) circumstances. From his recent
        comments on David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan,
        he seems out to prove that he can get away
        with anything.
        But if we can get a decent (or at least half-
        way decent) President in there with a Republican
        -majority Congress, perhaps we will be able to
        turn this country around and save it; at least
        to dodge the present bullets, and then work on
        doing a real conversion to a right philosophy.
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    • Posted by Argo 8 years, 2 months ago
      From my experience as a small town editor the fight for rights begins at the lowest level of government. I once had an eighth grade education level Mayor tell me the State Supreme Court rulings didn't apply in his town, when I was trying to obtain public records.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
        Was that a favorable opinion of his, beneficial to the towns people? or Was it a defensive posture because it took his power away from him.

        That is key in determining a value creating conscious human being or a parasitical humanoid.
        As I write often, it's all about conscience, those that have those that have not.
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    • Posted by Ed75 8 years, 2 months ago
      How does one go about converting the population? The government youth camps, (public schools) have been at their trade for about 60 years and have been extremely successful at dumbing down folks. Any
      peaceful change to the establishment system of public education is not likely.
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 2 months ago
        The home school movement; perhaps also promoting Montessori schools. And then, a gradual boycott.
        Things have begun to change for the better in
        that area already. I can remember when people
        just didn't dare (at least in public) question
        the desirability of the public schools; on the
        media, someone would say "education", and it
        seemed that everybody within earshot was ex-
        pected to fall down and kowtow.
        If someone didn't want to go to college, it was considered the job of everybody connected
        with him to persuade him that he had to go, as if
        it were necessary in order to save his soul. Not
        nowadays.
        I have seen change (and, believe me, I am
        not a patient person by nature), from the way
        things were 45 years ago.
        One thing that can be done, on an individual
        basis, is to teach phonics to children whom one
        happens to know; bring in a Dr. Seuss book, and show a child how to put letters together and fig-
        ure words out. This leads to confidence in one's
        own ability to figure things out. This can be done
        occasionally, in the presence of the child's par-
        ents, often without monetary compensation,and
        also sometimes even when the parents happen
        to be religious. (Independence of thought can
        eventually render it more likely that a child will
        grow up to later adopt a more rational philosophy). --Sorry, I don't think it can be a-
        chieved any time in the next 30 seconds.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 2 months ago
        It starts with the parents. Everyone else is a secondary provider of education - even the schools. Principles are formed at home and principles determine how one approaches education.
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        • Posted by Ed75 8 years, 2 months ago
          The sadness is that many parents are products of the "government youth camps" themselves. And as Liberty Belle suggests, home schooling can provide the solution, but not in a timely manner.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 2 months ago
            True. What we really need is to go back to community-run education staffed by educational specialists, i.e. teachers. Specialization works in every industry where such specialization is allowed to earn a premium, and therein lies the principal problem (pun intended however one spells it) ! Teachers are not rewarded based on how parents perceive their efforts. There is currently no market-based economy in basic education because the bureaucrats have taken it over. Success in our educational system will only occur once Parents (primarily because the children are incapable of paying for their own education) are the ones who directly determine (through their Dollars) which teachers and institutions they are going to patronize with their hard-earned wealth. That means getting government out of the business of education entirely - a prospect that grows ever less likely as it is one of the foundational platforms of every Governor!
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      The original premise was "that which governs close, governs best." so even the state too, is responsible for protection only. (today we also have coordinated infrastructure costs)

      But most of the governing or (cooperation) goes from neighborhoods, to communities- ex. towns and cities.
      That is where most of our efforts, taxes, etc, should be concentrated.
      And...if you don't like it, it is easier to just vote with your feet.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
        Forgot to add the basic unit of government: Beyond one's own mind, there is the Anglo Saxon and Abrahamic idea of the family unit it self, then your neighbors...etc on up the line.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
    The issue of rights and civil liberties when written about by Rand is very easy to understand. If anyone is confused by it, grab your Ayn Rand Lexicon and it will be like a polarizing filter on a photo. The problem is, the very clarity of those subjects has been obfuscated to the point of utter confusion by the left so that simple concepts have been clouded like the Shadow does to men's minds.
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