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Repeal of 17th Amendment starts in Utah

Posted by $ blarman 10 years ago to News
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We need another 34 states to join them, but this would be HUGE.

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  • Posted by walkabout 9 years, 12 months ago
    The Convention of States is moving forward with a "limited government" movement. Removing the 17th surely fits into that (and COS is making great progress). I would suggest removing the 16th, 22nd and 26th. I would add an amendment that requires amendments(other than the bill of rights) to be re-submitted to the states for ratification after being in effect for 50 years -- it didn't take that long for the populous to decide the Income Tax is a really, really lousy idea -- and if not re-ratified w/ina year they become repealed.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You will no doubt recall (pardon the pun) that Article I gives each House of Congress the sole discretion and judgment over the elections, returns, and qualifications of its own membership. So you must put into the Constitution not only language for recall, but also the disposition of elections that either do not achieve a majority, or in the case of persons "running unopposed," having the voters reject such persons. As it stands now, if a Congressional position falls vacant, the State's governor may fill it until the next election. That would mean that if the voters rejected a given candidate for Representative-ship, the governor could send him to the House anyway.

    Of course, with Amendment XVII gone, each State legislature could do what it likes in choosing Senators.
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  • Posted by rbunce 9 years, 12 months ago
    Good news... then on to the next step of repealing the income tax and apportioning Federal revenue requirements to the States to raise as they see fit from their residents. Senators once again protecting the interests of the States.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But it would block them ever running again.

    Recall

    and Majority required or 50 % plus one

    and None of the above always on the ballot and requiring a majority for any winner including None of the above except Yes and No with for single candidate or position/question races.

    One option is to pay the Senators and Representative - Congressionals a base salary stipulating that the costs incurred IN Washington DC would be paid by the federal government as part of the government operating budget. Then referring to all Congressionals as Delegates to the Federal Government from and for the State of -------

    Each state might also choose between Two Senators direct vote, two senators appointed by vote of the Assembly or legislature of the state of one of each. A Senator Delegate At Large representing the District of the State of ------ and A Senator Delgate of the State Government to somewhat define the two.

    and after that income tax...heh heh heh....

    I love seeing good ideas come to fruition one no longer feels so quite alone.

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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 12 months ago
    May I suggest: while you're at the business of restoring the State legislatures' role in choosing Senators, let's make Senators recallable. And Representatives, too, though seeing that a recall petition would take almost as long as a Representative's term of office, that might not be worthwhile. But why should a State still send a Senator who regularly violates both their instructions to him and the Constitution?

    Here in New Jersey we tried to recall a Senator. And our own Supreme Court said the provision in our own Constitution...was unconstitutional! Because the Federal Constitution does not explicitly provide for a State to recall its Congressional delegation, or any part of it.

    The Articles of Confederation, in contrast, made all Congress members recallable.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We can still hope. Now it seems as though the States have been marginalized far too much and the Legislative Branch has effectively lobotomized itself and given most of its power to bureaucracy. I still have hopes for a Constitutional Convention, but have almost zero confidence in Congress bringing this up. The system now is self-reinforcing system based on money. I don't think any change will happen until the system breaks down. We have to stop the engine of the world before we can remove some of the "upgrades" as it were. ;)
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 12 months ago
    Let us not forget to repeal the amendment that funds nearly all the other offenses of government, the abominable 16th.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That one to me is a molehill compared to the mountains of the 12th and 17th Amendments due to the nature of the effects on the entire process. I'd even put a clarification of the 14th Amendment (for those who can't read) of much higher priority.
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  • Posted by ISank 9 years, 12 months ago
    I'd rather go after the 16th but would accept 2 birds downed with one stone.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The one amendment that most needed to be repealed was ultimately repealed, the one on alcohol prohibition.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The 12th is another one I believe needs to be repealed. Can you imagine what would happen if we had six choices for President rather than just two and the runner-up became Vice President?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years ago
    I was in a recent discussion with edweaver about how there is an amendment process to the Constitution, but no such process for Objectivism on another thread. I said that the amendment process was made difficult for a reason. There are a few amendments that should never have occurred. The 17th Amendment is probably the foremost of the amendments that should never have been made. Now states are subservient to the federal government. Note how Arizona was sued by the feds over their immigration enforcement.
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