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Posted by coaldigger 9 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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Men of the mind need to rescue humanity by phases. A philosophy that provides a morality and a society based on reason cannot be individually adopted by a large enough mass to make a difference. The nth degree of intellectual inspection of the philosophy will never be embraced except by the very few. All of the “isms” have a narrative that can be grasped by those with little time or desire for complete understanding. Elementary Objectivism needs to be spoon fed to the common man. Intermediate Objectivism needs to be made available for professionals and producers in other fields that are immersed it other things. Advanced Objectivism needs to be the realm of the philosophers and those that have retired from endeavors that require a large portion of their time. It is important not to practice intellectual snobbery with concepts that can have so much benefit to mankind.

I’m not advocating Bible stories or the sloganeering of Marxists and Fascists but I don’t think the musings of Peikoff, Kelly, Brook, et. al. will ever gain the attention that even a Trump or Sanders get on the popular stage. I don’t think the world has ever been so out of control morally. Christianity has waned. Islam has been hijacked by terrorists. Jews, Hindus and Buddhists don’t have much influence on the world stage. So, without a morality based on religious principles, we have no compass and drift along on whims and fads. All social philosophies have their scholars but those that have impact, make a case with the least common denominator. True, they use fear, shunning, violence and other means of coercion to create and control their converts but education, mass communication and understanding of how people think and behave has improved over the last 2-3 thousand years.

It is hard to know if Ayn Rand’s books changed the thinking of people or mostly provided elegant supporting illustration of the truths they were coming to on their own. In any case, it is not good enough to grow Objectivism by the incremental discoverers of Atlas Shrugged. It is not enough to have a forum for intellectual discussion that attracts a select group of would be philosophers. America, in particular, needs a simple approach to an Objectivist moral code, a Ten Commandments and rural, common preachers of rationality.

This election campaign makes it pretty clear that people just want to be led with as little thought on their part as possible. When interviewing Sanders’ supporters, few have any concept of the definition of Socialism. Trump has no ideology and his people don’t care. Cruz is pandering to the ignorant while showing as little of his intelligence as possible. Rubio is a pretty face that is good at memorizing talking points (except when his needle hits a scratch on the record and keeps repeating). If this clown show is what people will accept, it should be easy for a truly smart group to create a front man to disguise an agenda based on Objectivist principles. It seems to me that this has been done on behalf of contrasting principles with some success.


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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The first one wasn't about a guy in the sky as one might understand on a conscious level.
    Many tend to "worship" many things that are not intrinsic with how nature and creation were designed or intended.
    That's all that is meant by the first commandment and it has more to do with your priorities of appreciation than the pagan concept of worshiping some entity in fear of consequence.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 2 months ago
    The issues are complicated in ways we yet to understand in an integrated way. It's precisely what I write about: the upside down paradigm and it's not just intellect or even a confoundation of everything, it involves electromagnetic interference's, health, genetics...on and on and on.
    Everyone has a trigger that produces a "wake up call", assuming one is not genetically incapable, and there are creatures like that in this world. Problem is, there is no algorithm to identify all the different triggers.

    If we were to concentrate on the obstinate, those stuck in a meme or level of awareness...we might have better luck with obvious articulated or physical examples over time.

    Question is...do we have enough time on our side to make a difference before we become trans-humanized humanoids without a mind.

    The latter is why "I" find John Galts speech so profound.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
    Even the basic "reality exists," contains a philosophical element beyond the understanding of most people. I've had more luck using an Aristotelian approach, questioning people about their positions, forcing them to determine the facts. With a reasonably cogent audience, they eventually arrive at a realization that logic and facts make choices in life much simpler and rewarding.

    What makes me skeptical that Objectivism will register with the last couple of generations is that they have a distorted view of rational thought and facts. When I use the term "rational thinking," I mean a reliance on traditional logical processes, but today it's been distorted to imply "rationalization," a foul word that misuses the idea of rational thinking to distort facts to fit a compartmentalized justification for whatever position you care to promote.

    I have heard "but those are YOUR facts" far too frequently in recent years. Academia has force fed the idea of relativistic morality and the superiority of emotion over logic and facts for about fifty years, polluting the mental engines of the past several generations. Even though I'm over 70, I can find members of my senior crowd who espouse this kind of dysfunctional thinking.

    Don't try to save the world. Just help the willing to find their way. The cream will naturally rise to the top. My experience is that talent and drive has been crippled by a society that discourages individuals from overcoming challenge. If you can show even a few that they aren't dangerous, despite what society has told them, we all will benefit.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago
    I think the great mass of people live from day to day. They are concerned with the necessities of life and dont have a lot of time to ponder philosophical questions.

    If we want to educate these people to more fundamental questions, its necessary (in my opinion) to reach them where they live.

    I say that defesting socialism will depend on showing how it DOESNT WORK. Shortages of goods, inferior goods, high prices, etc. We have to show how capitalism has produced more of what people want. Today, socialist programs arent required to be accountable- they need clear goals and then accountability in achieving those goals with the money provided. Failure of them is just chalked up to "not enough money". That excuse has to be just discounted as a way to excuse failure.

    High dudgeon speeches from Galt just wont cut it, I think. We have to show what really happens- like in Venezuela.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 9 years, 2 months ago
    A "front man" is a good idea in theory. But he would have to go through the political ranks to reach a position respectable to the masses. That would require hiding those views that are in contradiction with those masses. E.g. have no public record of being an atheist, state from the beginning that he believes in the separation of church and state to the extent that he will not discuss religious matters beyond showing support for complete freedom of religion. Etc.
    It would be difficult, but I have envisioned it being possible.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you KH - I have that quote in my office, backlit and facing the door for all to see... it usually gets a glance or 2 a week and someone will comment on it at least monthly.

    I don't believe I can agree with the premise in the original post, eg " Men of the mind need to rescue humanity". Maybe I am misreading it, but when I first saw it I equated that the LMS (Looter/Moocher/Socialist, eg "sheeple") class are in a way demanding we producers are required and mandated to help them... and I reject that out of hand, for the same reason I reject someone trying to help an addict break his or her addiction by forcing them to stay away from whatever their addiction is, rather than leaving the choice (and responsibility) to the afflicted.

    WE can show the LMS class a better way, but they and they alone are responsible for their rescue, much as someone who is drowning has the responsibility to grab a lifering or put on a floatation device. I'll throw them the ring, I'll show them where the vests are stored, hell, I'll even teach them how to swim... but if they do not want to save themselves, it is not MY responsibility to save them for themselves.

    I did do that for a living - talked jumpers down from bridges - for a number of years, but you soon realize in that business if someone's gonna jump, they're gonna jump, and it's THEIR responsibility (and consequence) for their actions, not mine, whether they decide to go down the slow way or the fast way... I can only give them options. When I first started they taught us to take "proactive steps" to haul a jumper down, and every time (until I realized how stupid it was!) I ended up getting injured, or damned near getting pulled off the structure (TG for the belts we had then).
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  • Posted by mspalding 9 years, 2 months ago
    I like the idea of 10 commandments. Communications gurus say 9 items is the most you should have in a list. But either way, if it was easy to remember or read, and if allowed people to quickly say whether something was moral or not, it could be useful. We could sell it as the 9 rules for a happy prosperous life.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Too slow. Too much left to chance. ARI distributes thousands to schools and just about anyone that wants them and most don't come close to getting the message. We are already living in the Gulch in our minds. Producers are withholding or are discouraged from reaching their potential which is a strike even though it is not a total stoppage. My oldest son has owned a very successful business for almost 25 years. He grew it out of the back of an old Toyota that I had bought for the kids to learn to drive on. He did work that competitors did not want and he did it with excellence until he was in demand in his market and could pick and choose jobs at his price. Regulations, taxes, Obomacare has caused him to reduce his business to a level that supports his lifestyle, employing as few people as possible. He turns down profitable business every week and 100 or so workers and supervisors don't work there anymore. He is just being rational and reacting to the conditions he is faced with. How many more are there? How is the world that we live in less prosperous and pleasant because of this? His company could be many times larger and he would be gratified by the accomplishment while incidentally employing many more people and providing excellent service to clients.
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    Posted by khalling 9 years, 2 months ago
    Rand has more influence than you know. Her books sell hundreds of thousands of copies per year-much to the consternation of the Left. In fact, liberal rags like Salon and HuffPost use her name in articles 2 or more times a week-they know her name trends high on Google.

    Inspiration for Objectivists:
    "Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark in the hopeless swaps of the not-quite, the not-yet, and the not at all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists. It is real. It is possible. It is yours". Ayn Rand
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 2 months ago
    I agree with all of what you said except ... the first sentence. We do not need to rescue humanity. Those who are worthy of getting up out of the mire will do so on their own.
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