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Open Objectivism

Posted by DavidKelley 8 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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For reference:
Fact and Value: https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
The Leonard Peikoff/David Kelley intellectual exchange: https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
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As the person who first raised the issue of tolerance and of open vs. closed Objectivism—and the person whose position has been under consideration in recent posts—I’d like first of all to thank Walter Donway for his articulate explanation and defense of the position we share. To weigh in with additional thoughts:

1. Historically, the debate began in 1989 when Peter Schwartz attacked me for speaking to a libertarian organization, the Laissez-Farire Books supper club. I responded with a 4-page open letter ( http://atlassociety.org/about-us/abou... ) mailed (in pre-internet days) to my Objectivist colleagues, including Schwartz and Peikoff among others. I advocated tolerance in the service of the open expansion of Objectivism:

“There is much we can learn from others if we are willing to listen. And even where they are wrong, we strengthen the foundations of our own beliefs—the accuracy and range of our observations, the validity of our concepts, the rigor of our arguments—by the effort to prove why they are wrong.

“That’s why every age of reason has welcomed diversity and debate. The great minds of the Enlightenment declared war on the entire apparatus of intolerance: the obsession with official or authorized doctrine, the concepts of heresy and blasphemy, the party lines and intellectual xenophobia, the militant hostility among rival sects, the constant schisms and breaks, the character assassination of those who fall from grace. These are the techniques of irrational philosophies, such as Christianity or Marxism, and may well have been vital to their success. But they have no place in a philosophy of reason.

Ayn Rand left us a magnificent system of ideas. But it is not a closed system. It is a powerful engine of integration. Let us not starve it of fuel by shutting our minds to what is good in other approaches. Let us test our ideas in open debate. If we are right, we have nothing to fear; if we are wrong, we have something to learn. Above all, let us encourage independent thought among ourselves. Let us welcome dissent, and the restless ways of the explorers among us. Nine out of ten new ideas will be mistakes, but the tenth will let in the light.”

That excerpt should make it clear that toleration of and engagement with those we disagree with is not the primary issue. The primary issue is whether Objectivism is open or closed as a philosophical system. If it’s open, we benefit from engagement. If closed, why bother? The open character is the founding principle of The Atlas Society, and we have pursued it many ways. An example is my work on benevolence as a virtue, which, as Walter explains, is grounded in basic values of Objectivism. That said, we are rigorous about what work we endorse: it must be consistent with established Objectivist principles, as hundreds of pages of exposition on our website will attest.

2. To my knowledge, this was the first time any Objectivist thinker has raised the issue of open vs. closed. I thought the open character was obvious; I thought my Objectivist colleagues were pursuing new Objectivist insights. “Fact and Value” was Peikoff’s response, saying that the philosophy was closed. I replied to his essay at length in The Contested Legacy pf Ayn Rand, esp. Chap 5. ( http://atlassociety.org/about-us/abou... ) No principal in Peikoff’s camp has responded to my arguments in 25 years. Meanwhile, I gave a talk on the issues in 2010, “Truth and Toleration Twenty Years Later” ( http://atlassociety.org/about-us/abou... ).

My friends in the Gulch, this is an important issue and well worth debating. Having been party to this argument for 25 years, I hope my writing here today provides some historical context for those pursuing the issue in earnest. I'll try to answer any questions you might have.


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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No one would argue that A.R. had every right to protect the integrity of her name and reputation. However, we were in constant contact with her people through Branden and others. I think what shocked us the most was the dismissive way it was handled. After all, we were a very active group, having made arrangements for Branden lectures and an appearance on TV as well as sponsoring the recorded lectures on Objectivism. I guess we expected a courtesy that wasn't forthcoming.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who ever said any "person on this earth started with a perfect understanding of the universe"? What are you talking about? It has nothing to do with dieting.
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  • Posted by $ austexk72 8 years, 3 months ago
    Good thinking and writing, David. Having known and worked with Miss Rand and the "inner circle" during the '60s in Manhattan, I know first hand both the positives and negatives of her Objectivist movement. You and the Atlas Society represent the positives that will long endure after all the vicious negatives have crumbled away.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The misrepresentation quoted was from you post. It isn't "questioning a few points". Smearing people as "Jehova's witnesses" is not "disagreeing with one's views" in accordance with an alleged "right to respect".
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I haven no idea what anyone said at a LFB meeting years after Ayn Rand died. It had nothing to do with Ayn Rand objecting to organizations misusing her name in what they called their organization, which is the topic raised by Herb.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The vast majority of those who comment on the internet don't post their names.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said, Jan. Bravo. It is ever thus in the battle of ideas. Any deviance, real or imagined. provokes counterattacks. The cornered rats fight like demons, not just against the ideas themselves but against their human hosts.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 3 months ago
    People have their reasons for clinging to dogmatic belief. I guess I was "corrupted" at the age of 12 when I first read Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason." My introduction to rational thought regarding absolutist principles got me kicked out of the Baptist church.

    I think I may have first read Atlas Shrugged earlier than almost anyone in this forum. The lesson I took away from Rand's book was that rational, fact-based decisions lead naturally to a more productive, fulfilling life. Those seeking a new Objectivist Ten Commandments to live by seem to be supplanting one form of dogma for another.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In Rand's defense she had so many questions that were not really questions (attacks where the person was not interested in dialog) that she probably became hyper sensitive. We have all dealt with this on a smaller scale when talking to socialists and religionists. I have dealt with it when talking to libertarians and Austrians. I admit that because of my frustration I have sometimes thought a comment/response/question was just snipping (bomb throwing) when it was honest dialog.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Neither you nor I know the whole story. But knowing what I do about Peikoff and his concerns, I expect there was more than just a talk there; i.e. Kelley was in agreement with some of the Libertarian viewpoints. If so, then Peikoff did not want him representing Obj.ism.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wiggys your question is insulting. You know nothing about Dr. Kelley's work but you suggest he has an ulterior motive. When did you quit beating your spouse?
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    Posted by wiggys 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I did not say he deviated. I just believe the Ayn Rand took basically Aristotle's work and built upon it. She also read all of the philosophers that existed between Aristotle and herself and maybe since i have not read them incorporated some of their think, but if she did it was to minor to remember. The facts speak for themselves so it is not necessary for me to re-present them.
    Maybe he should address my question of an ulterior motive.
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  • Posted by ut91t05 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    but how corrupt is the judge? is the judge delivering justice or vengeance? isn't the answer seen in the results of the practical application?
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Several of your questions were answered above, wiggys. See Dr. Kelley's work on Benevolence. Read his powerful essay on Rand vs Hayek. You are highly critical for someone who has not read his work . This is an important point to make-"deviation" is not what is asserted here. Application-is.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 3 months ago
    thank you David...the atmosphere back then in objectivist circles was oppressive...open discussion and the growth of objectivism was dying...we are where we are today thanks to you....
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not intentionally. But it was, at least to me, a tad bit confusing....and seemed to lead in directions you might not have intended.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 3 months ago
    I find this issue to be interesting but a bit puzzling. You cannot stop people from disagreeing, disputing, evolving. The Catholic Church cannot stop declared Catholics from taking birth control. How does anyone say, with a straight face, the sentence, "You are all a bunch of strong-minded free thinkers and I forbid you to come up with new ideas. If you do so, I will say Right Out Loud that you may not call yourself an Objectivist or take the name of the Rand in vain."

    No one has the ability to do this.

    Jan
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your 1st sentence: you missed the point re definitions.
    Your 2nd sentence: the point was directed to any Obj.ist who would diminish the image by dealing with those who are in contradiction with Obj.ism (e.g. Libertarians). It's about protecting the def. of Obj.ism, not preventing debate on issues. And if you were suggesting that Libertarians have found false premises in Obj.ism, you are wrong.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My, you sound hostile. Disagreeing with one’s views is not the same as being against the people that hold those views. Human beings have rights and are entitled to respect. Books and beliefs don't and are not due the same respect and are subject to judgment.

    I don't usually engage in too much back-and-forth blogging, since this rarely results in more light than heat. I prefer to wag more, bark less.
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