Today's Judge Narragansett moment? Hobby Lobby at Supreme Court?

Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 11 months ago to News
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I know that today was supposed to be the day of the Hobby Lobby case before the Supreme Court. This is an important case for Gulch citizens regardless of their views on Christianity because

1) the religious freedom rights in the Constitution include those to practice no religion at all;

2) it shows just how far government will go in its persecution of citizens (i.e. Gulchers are likely next. This is no different than what happened to Rearden.);

3) the government and particularly the Supreme Court might be "forced" to confront its contradictions regarding nObamaCare;

4) a loss in this case could be easily compared to AS's Anti-Life chapter; and

5) this is one of the more important structural pillars in the Constitution.

A loss in this case is likely to undermine any moral authority that the looters have left to enforce any law. The distinction between right and wrong may get so blurred that normally good people will have no reason anymore to trust in the rule of law. This could be a major acceleration of the destruction of the US. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

What news have you heard?
What opinions do you have?
I saw some threads from before I arrived in the Gulch from LetsShrug and Khalling.

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  • Posted by RevJay4 11 years, 10 months ago
    "Blessed is he who expects the worst, for he shall not be disappointed". Either way it works out with SCOTUS, this covers it. They screwed up, to cover their butts or something, with the Ocare tax vs. penalty decision, now they have a chance to really double down on their stupidity.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed, the constitution is a carefully woven garment. If one pulls at one thread, it has effects on the entire garment.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Contraception is far safer than abortion and both are way safer than carrying to term if you are going to try to play doctor and decide for women you don't know what's appropriate for their health care.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why does Hobby Lobby get to play doctor and decide what form of contraception is best for any given patient?

    Ohhhh, they get to put their religious "when life begins" into the equation.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, it's the corporation that gets to express itself at the expense of the employee...

    Why not remove health care from the employee employer relationship and go with a single health payer system like so many other countries have done?
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually it is another example of how corporations can indenture employees, regardless of the employee's religion or lack thereof, to working.

    To assure freedom for the employees health care needs to be take OUT of the hands of corporations and put back with the individual. Yes, that means corporations will deduct more for employee pay so the employee can choose health care, but that's only paperwork.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They do it all the time. Min wage laws, Am with Disability Act, the EPA and a myriad number of regulations just to name a few.

    You might want to include "tovarish" the Russian word for comrade, as well.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Citizens United was a good decision. Approved the same thing the left has been doing for decades under the table. Now all can do it publicly. Thats why the left doesn't like the decision, it sorta levels the playing field. And how they hate a level playing field can be seen from the vitriol expressed by the "resident" to the justices in the state of the union speech just following the decision.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't frequent Hobby Lobby, but I find the idea that the government can tell any private enterprise how to run that business repulsive. The takeover, or whatever it was, of the auto companies really cemented in my mind what this administration would be all about. I've been afraid, really afraid, since then. I'm practicing saying, "comrade", without puking. Not doing so well with that.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Forgetting that the libs/progs have no logic nor common sense nor facts to back up their ideology? Absent these, they can not be reasoned with arguments based on them. Only warm, soft fuzzy feelings are considered by the left as being justification for whatever. That and the acquisition of more power to force the producers to do their bidding.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly right. Basically an atheist, but prefer not to be categorized; however, Hobby Lobby should be allowed to act in accordance with their beliefs. This case seems very small relative to being allowed not to serve due to religious beliefs (e.g. Cassius Clay), but Obama is all about an iron hand to those he rules, but coward to those abroad, basically the worst kind of bully or leader.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 11 years, 10 months ago
    I realize I might be a rarity here, for I am a Christian. But there's more to the owning family's opposition to the three preparations and one device class they don't care to dispense. They are medically unsafe. This is especially true of the intrauterine devices. Inserting a foreign object into the uterus, to cause inflammation, can have effects far beyond making an embryo fail to implant.

    Besides: freedom of association includes freedom not to associate. Employment, like any form of association, is voluntary.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 11 years, 10 months ago
    Something that's not only being reported wrong by the media (oh, there's a surprise!), but Sotomayer, Kagan, and Ginsburg have all made the same mistake ("mistake" being a subjective term); they are all saying that Hobby Lobby doesn't want to provide contraception to its employees.

    As I understand it, that's patently untrue. Hobby Lobby has agreed to cover 16 of the 20 items required; all 16 of them are pre-conception items.

    The four they don't want to cover are post-conception items that prevent implantation. If you prevent a fertilized egg from implanting, you're killing something. Regardless of whether one views a fertilized egg as a human being, it is, by definition, alive.

    That killing is what they are objecting to.

    Again, from what I've picked up in the various media outlets, it sure seems like the Hobby Lobby owners are making a huge compromise.

    Part of me almost hopes that if they lose, they simply close their doors and walk away.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Objectivism will work in any size society as long as there is no enforced charity...AKA, government programs. Government is the largest obstacle to Objectivism. Government of course being basically the formal incarnation of "The Mob" [I don’t mean the Italian mob here I mean the French Revolution type of Mob]
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  • Posted by iroseland 11 years, 11 months ago
    While I am about as not religious as one can get. This belong to hobby lobby. Employment is voluntary, that goes both ways. They have a right to offer a plan that they are comfortable with and people have a right to work there or not. If their policy on health insurance causes the to miss out on some truly amazing employees the will have to be ok with it. I am pretty sure this has been a perfectly acceptable relationship so far.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Objectivism may work for very small communities of like-minded individuals such as those in the Gulch, but it would be impossible to govern even a 100,000 person city that way, let alone a country. Libertarianism allows for just enough for freedom of thought than objectivism that it could work as a governing system, as it did in this country during its founding, although it wasn't named as such then.
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  • Posted by jbohacheff 11 years, 11 months ago
    It appears that Kagan, Sotomayor and Ginsburg have become Muslim. It you want to keep your Christian religious beliefs, you must pay the penalty tax (like the Muslim force non-believers - dhimmi - to pay jizyah).
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  • Posted by KYFHO 11 years, 11 months ago
    I do know I was disgusted and frustrated by the signs carried by the anti-Hobby Lobby idiots in attendance. How do you take the leap that not paying for your abortion is an invasion of your uterus? That not ponying up for your birth control is a condemnation on you for having sex? There is no logic and the sickest part is that they honestly do not seem to see the illogic in their arguments. Cradle to grave, the battle cry of caca (crappy affordable care act)
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 11 years, 11 months ago
    My opinion only -

    I've heard a lot of talk saying that SCOTUS will side with Hobby Lobby so that they can symbolically walk back their commitment to Obamacare.

    I say that it will be the exact opposite: SCOTUS will side AGAINST Hobby Lobby so that they can symbolically walk back their commitment to Citizens United.

    I have zero faith in our federal government any longer - zero.
    I EXPECT to be disappointed, that way, at least I won't also be surprised.

    I'd like to be wrong, but don't think I will be.
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