How do you feel about gun control?

Posted by stargeezer 6 years, 7 months ago to Government
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I'm asking how you feel about the issue. There's no need for this to get argumentative since we aren't likely to change each others mind. Just tell us how you feel and why.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 6 years, 7 months ago
    I'm against it. a lot.
    But this is an issue, like many others, that we have to watch our language on. I'm referring to the word "feel". Someone's feelings about an issue are usually not supported by facts and reality, but of fear [and loathing]. I found, through many discussions, that a person can't be argued out of something he wasn't argued into. That is, if he "feels" that gun control is a good idea, there is nothing you can say or do to change his mind. It's closed. If he "thinks" about it, on the other hand, you've got an in. Give him more to think about; city the facts, give him a personal experience. Ask questions, think about what he says, and reply rationally.
    Hearts and minds CAN be changed, but it takes work.
    I've also realized that humans tend to think that others are like they are. I am an honest, "keep my hands off other peoples' stuff", live-and-let-live sort of person, and it was a visceral shock the first time I realized that other people are not not like me.
    Think about this: if another person is angry, irrational, violent and mean, he will have a tendency to believe others are as he is. What would he do if he suddenly had a gun? Evil. and he believes that you would, too. No wonder "they" want guns to disappear; then, no one, including themselves, will use them against others. This is a difficult person to confront/discuss with/explore issues with. First, he's ruled by his feelings, and they're the scary kind. Next, he wants control over people, and believes that you do too. Sometimes, you have to walk away. or.....never mind.

    sorry, you asked "why?'. First, I believe that I am entitled to my own life, including the protection of it with the most efficient means possible. As Neil Smith says, "a 2# chunk of steel is a really good way to even the odds between a 105# woman and a 250# man."
    Second, no one will ever rape me again.
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  • Posted by Susannah 6 years, 7 months ago
    The 2nd Amendment states that I have the right to keep and bear arms and that this right shall not be infringed. Seems clear enough to me.
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  • Posted by Ranter 6 years, 7 months ago
    How do I feel about gun control? I'm all for it. It requires regular practice and good physical control of the gun if one is to shoot accurately. Seriously, gun control is un-American. I have the natural right, guaranteed by the Second Amendment, to keep and bear (own and carry) arms (weapons) sufficient to defend myself, my loved ones, my property, and my community. That means military-grade weapons as well as personal defense weapons. No government on earth has the right to abrogate that right, because no government on earth has any rights whatsoever. Only individuals have rights. Goverments only have permissions given them by individuals acting as a group. Any attempt at gun control ultimately will fail, because there are about 100 times as many armed civilians as there are armed military in this country. In any battle between the two, the military will lose. I will not relinquish my guns. I'll shoot anyone who tries to take them from me.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 6 years, 7 months ago
    I believe that a firearms safety course (similar to the NRA courses available practically everywhere) should be required in high school. Let students learn how a gun works, how to handle one safely, and the basics of shooting. And beyond that, let each decide individually whether they wish to own a firearm or firearms, take up hunting, or what have you.

    I grew up in the country, in a family of hunters. We all learned as soon as we could walk that we were not to touch anyone's guns. As we got older we learned the basics of firearms safety and we all had air guns. When I was 14 I took the basic firearms training course so I could get a hunting license. I grew tired of hunting after a few years, but if I cared to take it up again or needed food, I know how to get it.

    A gun is a tool, like any other. In the hands of someone who respects its power, it puts food on the table, protects the owner from attack, and a number of other uses. In the hands of someone who sees a firearm as a fashion accessory or who got their "firearms training" from TV and movies.....the possibilities are horrible indeed. As we see in far too many headlines.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 6 years, 7 months ago
    My thoughts on gun control are hitting what you aim at using either hand and in a variety of lighting conditions and in a variety of positions (standing, sitting, lying, around things etc.) and being able to rapidly load, unload and reload in the dark.
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  • Posted by KYFHO 6 years, 7 months ago
    I think the left attempting to nullify the 2nd amendment to suit their faulty logic and distorted facts is dangerous and despotic. Gun "free" zones are where most mass shootings occur. I said most. There is that cold dead fingers approach that will need to be used on me and mine. Teach respect and practice, practice, practice your accuracy skills. And, anyone who thinks all areas should be gun free zones, post that idea in your front window for all to see. I think the left does not like guns because they know they cannot be trust with them. Like fatty foods and big sodas. No self control.
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  • Posted by Retired24-navy 6 years, 6 months ago
    I like gun control. I believe you should always use both hands for the best gun control, otherwise you might miss when Polosky and her liberals TRY to take the guns. You cannot have my gun (s) but I will gladely share the bullits with you.
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  • Posted by lyndamond 6 years, 7 months ago
    I hate guns-always have. Whenever I've been in the same room as a gum I've been scared to death. I'll probably never own a gun in my life. That said, I will defend 100% your right to own any firearm, for all the reasons given in the comments.. That's why it's called Objectivism.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago
      Ok Lynda. thanks for your input. I respect your decision to avoid firearms if you feel you don't need or want one. They are after all, inanimate objects that do nothing on their own. I truly do hope you never need a weapon and find yourself without one, or the ability to use one if you need to.

      I have taught many people to shoot, people who are not "gun people" but who don't want to live in a world where guns exist, but not understand how they work. It is a fair assumption on my part that some of these folks do not own a gun, but I think it's fair to say that they no longer fear them. Knowledge is power.

      Should you one day wish to learn the basics about guns, I can assure you that there are many certified firearms instructors like me, who would be willing to help you. Some do it for free and some do it as a business, but either way these folks are patient and very used to helping folks overcome their fear. Let me know if you ever would like to meet one.
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  • Posted by Notperfect 6 years, 7 months ago
    As a child growing up in Texas my dad and uncle's and grandfather were always there to teach me right from wrong. How to handle my weapon, where not to point it, how to clean it and keep it that way. I was 10 when I carried my first rifle along side my Uncle Jack when Dad was gone on a deer hunt. Dad would take me also when he was home and then I carried a Win. 30-30. All of those men told me then it was not the gun it was the idiot on the end of that weapon that hurt people. I never left their sides until they felt I could handle a weapon safely. That is the only control that I feel is necessary. If you do not want gun's then go your own way, but do not control me because some idiot got a gun and preyed upon someone without one. You can make all the gun control laws you want and it will never solve your so-called problems. All the law does is contribute to the problem. I have taught my children and they will teach their's and so on. My main objective was only one thing. Teach your child the right way fore if someone else teaches the wrong way the child is lost. If they lose you lose.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 6 years, 7 months ago
    I find that it's very useful in hitting my targets accurately.

    'Sorry, couldn't resist. Given that this is an objectivist forum, I'm a little puzzled as to why the question is being asked in the first place, but...

    Just to offer some rhetorical "ammunition," if you'll pardon the pun on Rand's analogy:

    When you get home from work or school or whatever you do today, and you're standing at your front door in the wind, rain or snow fumbling with your keys, ask yourself some questions.
    "Why am I having to do this?"
    "Just imagine how simple life would become if we had no need to use locks, keys, passwords or PINs!"
    "Imagine if everyone were ethical."

    Ah.

    We have to use locks, keys, passwords and PINs because... every human being is hard-wired with the faculty of volition, the ability, in any given instance and on any given issue, to choose between good and evil. Fortunately, most of the time most of us choose what is good - or at least benign. But in every era and in every place, there will always be those who will choose evil and to visit that evil upon other people.

    So we have to lock our houses, our cars, our lockers at the gym, use passwords on our electronics and every website we log into, and use PINs to access our banking and similar financial stuff. Because bad people exist. They are a given fact of life.

    We need an unalienable right to keep and to bear arms for precisely the same reason we need to have locks, keys, passwords and PINs.

    Again, think about that every time you unlock the front door of your home. And use that argument whenever you come across the debate from some starry-eyed forced-disarmament advocate.
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  • Posted by Kulord 6 years, 7 months ago
    Against it! Am only pro self control and being able to deal with people losing it. Is interesting that a lot of the pro gun control people have armed bodyguards. Often at tax-payer expense.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 6 years, 7 months ago
    This is what the school system is teaching middle schoolers about the 2nd amendment: http://savingourfuture.com/2014/03/middl...
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
      That school is just 50 miles from my front door. Living in a area where gun owners outnumber non-gun owners 99 to 1, we often forget the rest live differently.

      On Saturday morning it's not unusual to look out the front window of our home and see folks loading rifle and pistol cases in their minivans along with picnic lunches for a day at the range. Then you find out that this is going on in our back yard.

      I've called the school, been transferred from phone to phone as they look for somebody to take authority of this abomination. When I was finally transferred to the principal I was told that they did not plan to make a change this year since it was so late, but they hoped to get things "fixed" by next fall.

      When I asked if they discovered a error that stated that Joseph Stalin was the first president of the United States, would they make an immediate change or just wait until next year to fix the problem? I was told that they didn't see it as a big problem. My answer was just "I see". What else could I add.

      What a bunch of losers - losers who are teaching our kids wrongly.

      Thanks for bringing this up.

      Larry
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 6 years, 7 months ago
    When I am asked how do I feel about gun control? I immediately think about how I feel about the 2nd Amendment and trying to explain that makes me think of this video I have seen many times of Red Skelton speaking about the Pledge of Allegiance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZ...

    So in that light I am going to attempt to do justice to Red by doing a similar break down of the 2nd Amendment in writing.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    A: indefinitely or nonspecifically (used with adjectives expressing number): a great many years; a few stars.
    Well: thoroughly, carefully, or soundly
    Regulated: to adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation: to regulate a watch.
    Militia: a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
    Being: (takes a past participle) forms the passive voice of all transitive verbs and (archaically) certain intransitive ones: a good film is being shown on television tonight.
    Necessary: being essential, indispensable, or requisite: a necessary part of the motor.
    To: used as a function word to indicate purpose, intention, tendency, result, or end came to our aid, drink to his health
    The: used to indicate a person or thing that has already been mentioned or seen or is clearly understood from the situation
    Security: freedom from fear or anxiety
    Of: used to indicate that someone or something belongs to a group of people or things
    A: (see earlier entry above)
    Free: enjoying personal freedom: not subject to the control or domination of another
    State: a body of persons constituting a special class in a society
    The: (see earlier entry above)
    Right: acting or judging in accordance with truth or fact
    Of: (see earlier entry above)
    The: (see earlier entry above)
    People: a body of persons that are united by a common culture, tradition, or sense of kinship, that typically have common language, institutions, and beliefs, and that often constitute a politically organized group
    To: (see earlier entry above)
    Keep: to maintain in a good, fitting, or orderly condition
    And: used as a function word to join one finite verb (as go, come, try) to another so that together they are logically equivalent to an infinitive of purpose
    Bear: to have as a feature or characteristic
    Arms: to provide (yourself, a group, a country, etc.) with weapons especially in order to fight a war or battle
    Shall: used to give a command or to say that you will or will not allow something to happen
    Not: used as a function word to stand for the negative of a preceding group of words
    Be: to remain unmolested, undisturbed, or uninterrupted
    Infringed: to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights)

    So then the meaning of Gun Control to me means the violation of the most basic meaning of the 2nd Amendment. In fact I would argue that the whole reason for the 2nd Amendment was to ensure that the People would be armed in the event that the Government were to become unacceptably tyrannical.

    For those that might argue that at the time the 2nd Amendment was written there were no automatic weapons and our founding fathers could not have meant for the common man to have such powerful weapons. I would remind them that at the time that the 2nd Amendment was written the common man had weapons (Arms) as good as or in many cases better than those of the Army of the time. In fact until the National Firearms Act in 1934 it was legal for citizens to purchase fully automatic weapons.

    With all of this in mind then I would suggest that ANY law restricting Arms of any kind is unconstitutional, thereby; allowing a citizen access to ANY Arm that they might wish to purchase. In fact the only restriction on Arms ownership that I would support would be ownership of Arms by people not citizens of this country. I would also argue for felons and those judged mentally unstable to permanently lose citizenship thereby legally limiting their access to Arms without violating my understanding of the 2nd Amendment.

    Not sure if I have done justice to Red but I did my best.
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    • Posted by Kulord 6 years, 7 months ago
      Private citizens can own full automatic weapons. Every time a full auto weapon is traded a $300 dollar federal tax is imposed. At least that was how it worked last time I checked.
      The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
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      • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago
        Depends on the state. In my state, a full auto of any kind is very, very illegal. In FL where we spend winters class 3's are fine with the tax stamp, which I think is $200, unless the state tacks on their cumshaw of some amount. One of our favorite outings is to attend machine gun shoots.
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        • Posted by $ winterwind 6 years, 7 months ago
          oh, yeaaaaaah. We haven't had one here in a few years, but it was FINE. Everybody loaded up whatever was fun to shoot, and rest of up loaded up all the cash we could get our hands on, and we met at a really, really, big empty field. except for the 2 or 3 junker cars loaded with propane tanks. And everybody made whatever deal could be made. I remember a couple of Army artillery guys who came just to shoot the stuff they worked on - they'd never shot it. Their mouths dropped open when I paid for one of our friends [pretty, 20, female] to shoot a......sorry, I'm a pistol gal, so very few details except: crew served, 40mm, $40 per round. She loved it. They loved it that she loved it. now THERE was gun control.
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  • Posted by illucio 6 years, 7 months ago
    Gun Control, if effective, should be for all. Police, Military and Civilian. Otherwise, it´s a con. If I have a weapon of any kind, I´m not about to submit it under any condition to use whatsoever. The Constitution guarrantees my right to bare arms, and in the US this right has been exercised thoroughly. Any imposition upon this is alien to this nations founding principles.
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