Are Conservatives Dumber Than Liberals?

Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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Its time to "take our IQ points and go home" to the ethical, principled candidates of the Libertarian party.
SOURCE URL: http://reason.com/archives/2014/06/13/are-conservatives-dumber-than-liberals


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
    Confining that question to the current "mainstream" GOP of Congress, I'd definitely would say yes.
    I would add the word "cowardly" to "dumber."
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  • Posted by gilmorehome 8 years, 3 months ago
    As a Conservative Libertarian, I agree: It is still a deep puzzle to me why it apparently takes high intelligence to understand that the government should stay out of both the bedroom and the boardroom", and anything else that the Founders and the original Constitution didn't give them authority to do.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      Harder to manufacture and maintain fear among more rational people?
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 3 months ago
        Yes it is!
        Fear of hell, fear of climate change, fear of corporations, fear of socially different people. Unfortunately, the republicans won't take the "fear of government" banner, that they should. That fear has proven true over and over as an accurate representation of human failings. Note that Jane Fonda had no issue with that banner over Vietnam and nuclear power.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 3 months ago
        "Harder to manufacture and maintain fear among more rational people?"
        Yes. The monster around the corner in a scary movie is scarier than seeing it. When something goes wrong in real life, at least for me, it seems much less scary once I get some facts, even the problem is really grim. Having a mysterious problem that I cannot understand is much scarier.
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        • Posted by roneida 8 years, 3 months ago
          to circuit guy... If you have been indoctrinated to accept the fallacy that social-libs are more intelligent because they have spent more time acquiring education and degrees, you have not been paying attention to their beliefs and doctrines. Anyone who believes that they have a right to take other peoples earnings by force or believes that they can dictate rights of association no matter what, is not an intelligent person. One of the most intelligent men of the last century was Hitler...he could move millions with retoric..hardly intelligent. Listen to Bernie Sanders sometime...Listen!
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          • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 3 months ago
            The liberals have dominated the so-called basket weaving courses, while the conservatives have dominated most of the stem courses, which isn't surprising, given their bent toward hard facts. However, true freedom lovers have been confused into believing that they are two DIFFERENT groups, rather than ONE group, fighting over the spoils.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 3 months ago
            "Anyone who believes that they have a right to take other peoples earnings by force or believes that they can dictate rights of association no matter what, is not an intelligent person. One of the most intelligent men of the last century was Hitler."
            If we accept Hitler was intelligent and he believed he had the right to take people's stuff by force, then it shows that intelligent people can believe in theft.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 8 years, 3 months ago
    Does 2 or 3 or 5 IQ points really make a difference? Applying quantitative analysis to a qualitative discussion is inherently flawed. A statistician might look at these results and wonder the same.
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    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 3 months ago
      If someone is saying that liberals are smarter than conservatives, then they are making a quantitative statement, which is provable by measurement. Given that the liberals suffer by any comparison proves that their assertion is false.
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      • Posted by Ben_C 8 years, 3 months ago
        Yes, but what is the threshold of relevance? What is the margin of error? I agree that the premise is flawed but to validate a premise with such a narrow difference is junk science.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 3 months ago
    Seems to me this article summarizes a study that says the republican liberals are smarter than democrat liberals, and the strongly social conservative republicans (mostly religious) are bringing the average down for conservatives. The author may not like this characterization, but I think it isn't far off.
    Look are Trump running away, supported by the Walmart lemmings, that want change, but don't know how to get it, and would rather watch the Apprentice than read.
    I consider myself very liberal, depending on the definition used. I support gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, breaking down the present barriers in healthcare, et al. However, I also support the simple, monotonic feedback loop where freedom = responsibility, which is completely broken by welfare and socialism. Why else do I think I am liberal? I didn't start out this way. My mother is a baptist semi-southern democrat, and my father was an Eisenhower republican. My brother and I found our way to libertarianism and atheism independently. Do not some others here consider themselves socially liberal and at odds with big government republicans?
    "Progressive" is a negative totalitarian term, not too far from Mussolini. Liberal goes both ways (pun intended).
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      Your definition of "liberal" is traditional. The Dem party stole the term "liberal" decades ago because socialist just wasn't popular. Outside of the US liberal has a more traditional definition similar to yours. The article attempts to explain the differences, but doesn't entirely succeed.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 8 years, 3 months ago
    The sample was still flawed.
    In keeping with my belief that there are 3 types of liberals
    1. Those that can afford to be liberal. Limousine Liberals
    2. Those that can't afford not to be liberal. Welfare Liberal
    3. Those that don't know what it is to be liberal. Those that want to be a Type-1 Liberal, but feel they could become a Type-2 liberal.
    I would wager a bet that the group that "can't afford not to be liberal" are ignorant as dirt.
    That would included any conservatives that live off the dole while complaining about "their tax dollars paying into it". Those individuals are Type-2 Liberals in denial.
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    • Posted by cjferraris 8 years, 3 months ago
      What about those who are indoctrinated without realizing what life's all about (I consider them mall rats). Who have never had responsibilities or had to face their own struggles (trust fund babies).. Those are two different and distinctive types, as well as those who believe this is a democracy instead of a republic. I think that liberalism is a very large tent that is very accommodating..
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
        If you are looking to become a non thinking cell in the body of a larger entity. Most of liberalism is exactly that...People who are afraid both the dark and a light switch. and as you suggested thmade enticingly comfortable. Many types but in the end only one entity. A graveyard of the mind.
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      • Posted by RobertFl 8 years, 3 months ago
        I think they are a smaller lot, and within that lot, you'll probably see some smart, educated ones.
        Basically, they were trying to draw a conclusion between 2 parties. That's a pretty broad paint brush. I know some fairly smart Libs - good intentions, just misguided. I also know a few real dumbaz republicans.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 3 months ago
    I think it is more a matter of lower IQ people (media talking heads, teachers) are drawn to the liberal agenda, as the talking points make it easy for them. No thinking required. Obama, at apx. 117 IQ, does not have the critical thinking skills to handle world problems.Gore falls in that category as well. Those who do have higher IQs, tend to think about things and are drawn to more conservative ventures, or at least fiscal conservative issues. Some of the best critical thinkers I have met, were plumbers and truck drivers, having worked for their money for years, they get it.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago
    Actually they are not but a lack of understanding our founding and our founders pervades the culture.

    There is Nothing dumber than a 'liberal' not even the rocks in my yard.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 3 months ago
    Professor Edward de Bono, in his book de Bono’s Thinking Course, has an excellent example of the difference between intelligence and efficient thinking. He says:

    The car may have a powerful engine, a smooth gear box and wonderful suspension. But the skill of the driver is something different.

    Indeed, the very power of the car may place extra demands upon that skill. In no way does the power of the car ensure the skill of the driver. In the analogy the engineering of the car corresponds to the innate intelligence and the driving skill of the driver corresponds to the operating skill we call thinking.

    It is also often the case that a more humble car has a better driver. Driving skill can also be learned and practiced and improved.

    Why is Critical Thinking so Hard to Teach? See an article by that title at
    http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/15-03...
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 3 months ago
      Really good metaphor. My brother is learning to drive on the track. He has a Cadillac CTS-V (damn fast car). One of his friends and an instructor takes a Dodge Dakota out and laps people to show them how much the driver matters. Don't think the Dakota lapped my brother, but a woman instructor in a stock Miata did!
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
      Put two people on an island that requires cooperation to survive and I bet even without studying AS they slowly wind up objectivity. Objections contains supremely practical ideas for human survival
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      • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 3 months ago
        That's the truth. Can't fake it there. Reality does have a way to make people get along. There is nothing like the old "actions have consequences" for a realaity check.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 3 months ago
    I wonder if people just stumble and tell the truth when they're drunk or under pressure. :)
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      Your comment reminds me of all the cops shows on tv. The writers keep trying to glorify cops and Fedcops but what I see is repeated arrests and interrogations of innocent people. They don't often depict violations of rights, since the "reading of rights" is de rigueur, but the repeated false accusations and gaming of suspects is unconscionable. Or is it just more pschological preparation that gradually makes the viewer accept behavior by public servants that is ethically unacceptable?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago
    That is an amazingly ridiculous question to ask an Objectivist. Is it one of those silly internet questions, or a Sunday supplement question, or just the inquiry of someone with too much time on one's hands? It is unanswerable on more levels than I care to illustrate.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
    of course they are the same thing these days...no one knows what or who they are they change shapes and words so often....but one thing is true. they all believe in doing what will get them elected and then it's SOS.

    There are politicians and then there are those who have no representation....and then there ae those who only say they want the Constitution back....the worst of the bunch
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 3 months ago
    AR said, "Never use emotion as a tool of cognizance." Liberals "feel," conservatives (for the most part) "think." This suggests to me, that liberals use their brain less and, thus, by extension, don't have much there.
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    • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 3 months ago
      I think the word you want here is "cognition", not cognizance. All politicians operate on emotions; that's what moves crowds, of any persuasion. Conservatives, esp. the religious Right, use fear and guilt. Liberals use greed and need. All disagreements, in the Gulch and elsewhere, poke the emotional nerve centers. Anyone purely logical and objective is smeared as cold, unfeeling, mean-spirited, heartless. They even speak of "emotional IQ" as the skill to manipulate others.

      Emotional people are not necessarily stupid. Non-emotional people are not necessarily rational. IQ as tested on IQ tests does not assure that politically conservative people are smarter across the board. All values held are glued in place by emotion. That is the mechanism of human survival.. It takes Reason to sort out emotional responses, as in "Check your premises." That's why emotions are only a diagnostic tool. It takes Reason to decide how to use this tool.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
    That's funny. I seem to recall an article not so long ago that tested the scientific and mathematical acumen and correlated it to political persuasion and found that conservatives scored significantly higher than liberals.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      That is what this article reports. It also says that the libertarians that claim to be conservatives are the likely reason for the difference.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
        It's really what you do with your intelligence that matters. Today one would have problems categorizing people since most people have a mixture of libertarian, liberal, and conservative views on different subjects and under different circumstances
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 3 months ago
    This article's claims ring true, and I agree with them.
    " it is still a deep puzzle to me why it apparently takes high intelligence to understand that the government should stay out of both the bedroom and the boardroom."
    Here are my guesses on this puzzle.
    1. I suspect it's because when gov't spends money on things "industries" develop around keeping that money flowing. People who work for military, prisons, and social programs have armies of people writing articles and doing talk shows about how that spending critical the existence of the country. There is less incentive to have an army lobbying against those things because any one of them is a small percentage of taxes but it's the livlihood for people receiving gov't money to work on those programs.
    2. It takes one thought step to answer what do you think of gay people, the Christian religion, helping the poor, researching cancer, etc. It takes two steps to say what do you think of them and should the gov't be involved. That sounds like nothing, but it's hard when you hear about things like the story of a business that won't serve people on account of religion, sexual orientation, race, etc. If you really feel strongly about those things, it takes some restraint, restraint that comes from reason, to say those people are wrong but sending men with guns to make them do the right thing is not the answer.
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