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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 2 months ago
    Look at the list of countries. Eliminate struggle, eliminate proficiency. We are the dominant species on earth, not from size, strength, speed or teeth, but from our minds. all this bought with overwhelming struggle over millennia after millennia, century after century.

    That list is not an indictment of teachers, schools, race, capability or even common core. That list is an indictment of sloth from the removal of struggle in the lands of plenty. Not only don't we struggle to survive, we don't even struggle to avoid boredom!

    This is one of the best arguments against socialism. Take away the challenges from many, and they stop challenging themselves. It is classic Ant and Grasshopper. This is why everyone does not need healthcare or welfare. Everyone needs a chance, and consequences of sloth and non performance.

    If anyone thinks a pollution problem is caused by companies or capitalism, they are wrong. It is caused by too many people and no natural or self imposed checks on survival or reproduction.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 2 months ago
    Math isn't the only problem...

    While "who" is going to pay for "free" college is the big question...the underlying problem is what happens when you give something to someone who hasn't earned it.

    We can give all the free college we want, but most of the students who take advantage of it won't be worth a damn. While there might be the rare individual, the rest of them will waste it all away. Why put any effort into something that you didn't have to work for, in the first place?

    I did poorly in my later school years (except the straight A's I received in technical courses). Like many, I disliked being made to go to school and it showed in my grades. Had I had to pay for said schooling, on the other hand, I likely would have had far superior grades AND have been a far better student since I had "skin in the game".

    This kind of knowledge comes only with experience and I'm afraid the kind of voters who back Sanders don't have any, at all.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago
      All goes back to the discussion Heinlein had on value in Starship Troopers. Value can be a realative as well as an absolute, depending on how you apply it and reference it. In this case, people think a college degree implies a good job and income, but when you are a lunkhead to start and a lunkhead to finish, you still will not have a job in the end. That makes the college degree valueless, except as a fantasy. The graduates today I see in high tech are dumber than dirt and have no problem solving skills, except to see what other part of the system they can blame. Yet they have Masters and Phds.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 2 months ago
    Math is all about facts, and the Millennials have been taught that facts are malleable, while feelings are immutable. I have had a number of young people respond to my statements with "But those are YOUR facts!" They've grown up in the environment of "It all depends on what the meaning of IS is," where lies and deception are an acceptable element of life, and truth is in the eyes of the beholder.

    To this new generation, it's more important what feelings are expressed, and with what apparent sincerity, than if a statement is supported with logical argument and researchable facts. They can't determine the value of statements, or who they should trust, favoring sources like blog writers who share their feelings, rather than carefully validated collections of data.

    The purer elements of education, like the sciences, have been polluted by an excess of social training. In an attempt to replace parental and community rules of behavior with more universal concepts of "social justice," the elements of purposeful ignorance have been instilled, malice aforethought.
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  • Posted by Lysander 8 years, 2 months ago
    I have 2 macro classes, and the students cannot even move decimals, multiple (divide) by reciprocals, cross-multiply, simplify large fractions (112/14 to 56/7 to 8) without a calculator. They are entitled and expect the teacher to answer. The most common answer in my poli sci classes is idk!
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 2 months ago
    One thing about teenagers and young adults is that they rarely think things through. It's hard to do and the results frequently shatter the dream. And there are some that never grow out of this kind of pubescent naive enthusiasm. The liberal understanding of economics can best be described as a form of mysticism. Liberals truly believe that economic realities can be manipulated by good thoughts, wishful thinking and positive karma. And when that approach fails they are always ready to find culprits that have foiled their plans through evil intentions. To a liberal economics is a form of magic but then anything that one does not understand can appear magical.
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  • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 2 months ago
    To me, everything is math.

    Planning one's time, budgeting, driving, one has to weigh odds when making decisions and if you're shooting a game of pool, you need to be able to figure out the angles!

    What isn't math? What do you do that doesn't require some sort of math?

    Convenience is killing thinking and promoting mental laziness.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
      Romantic relationships? ;^)
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      • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 2 months ago
        LOL! Guys have used math to discuss "romantic relationships" since forever :)

        In addition to that -

        We use counting numbers to help define and celebrate relationships - how long you've been together, anniversaries

        We use proportionality - anything the other person does that is annoying will become increasingly more so as time goes on.

        We use probability - the more casual relationships a person has the more that person is increasing his or her health risks.

        We use stats - Have I gone out with enough people to know this person is the one? Have I done enough as a single person to finally settle down? Have we done enough as a couple to finally have children? (children usher in learning the difference between geometric progression and exponential growth :)

        ...and so forth and so on.

        Simple, basic math is used all the time, constantly for everything. :)
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 2 months ago
    My 17 year old grandson, (soon to be 18), is Trump all the way. He says Trump is the only one running that he trusts. I do not necessarily agree with him, but my point is that I think a lot of millenials are for Trump too.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
      Less experience, more naive, much higher ratio of propaganda to life experience. Easy to see why the promises that seem idiotic to those who have more experience might appear reasonable on the surface to those who have had so much exposure to propaganda.and little experience to find the viable wheat among all the chaff offered by the con-men. His is not a problem with the math because Trump never bothers to give enough detail that math skills can even be used. That is the real truth about Trump and Sanders.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
    Sanders' math doesnt even make sense. He throws around "trillions" like its a few dollars. What he should be is a botanist- to figure out how to make a money tree grow without any work.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 2 months ago
    They can do the math, but they have chosen to blank out. As captured during Rearden's tumbler revelation, we'll "do something"!
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    • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
      In one way I'm puzzled about it, but on the other hand could there be a connection? Is there something about being able to grok math and the ability to understand the relationship between free markets, individual liberty, and productivity ? Has anyone ever done a study of the SAT math scores of objectivists or genuine libertarians?
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      • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 years, 2 months ago
        I've looked at something a bit different... Horse ownership. Every child who says "I wanna pony" is considering taking on an awesome responsibility. Some of them "get it" and a few of those people actually get a horse.

        The young people I have met who own horses (and have not given up or been supported by parents who rescue them out of difficulties) are level-headed and productive, or have their eyes set on productivity.

        One fellow I encountered when substituting English class about ten years ago told me, "I'm going to be a farmer, like my dad." Well, he didn't quite hit that target. Instead he now owns hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment and hauls around agricultural equipment for other farmers. Ten years from high-school senior to wealthy.

        I wonder how many welfare-type people he supports? I wonder if he even cares, or if instead he is so busy running his business?

        He may or may not have had horses or other farm animals, but he learned how to work land and then how to get out of doing all the back-breaking work by himself. I'm certain that he learned his mathematics, but whether from school or not, I don't know. My impression of his schoolwork, the one day I met him, was that he was merely marking time until he could go out and work. Not "get a job" but WORK.
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        • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 2 months ago
          I had a similar upbringing. My businessman father presented me with a horse, not saddle ready, and i was to feed and train and and clean as part of the "responsibility" of ownership. I was 13. At 16, as part of having a car, a part-time job was part of paying insurance. It all taught not only responsibility, but math, in the sense of how to use it to survive.
          One local print reporter, age 20, said that her age group should vote for "charisma and hope" - no reality there. She also said she wanted time from work so she could "drink", and no husband, but possible future children to be "adopted from other countries -a rainbow group." She said Obama's election was "the best day of my life". I fear she peaks for that age group. No ability to reason whatsoever!
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          • Posted by BeenThere 8 years, 2 months ago
            "......father presented me with a horse, not saddle ready, and i was to feed and train and and clean as part of the "responsibility" of ownership."

            Your father must have known my father!!!!

            Same deal.....a yearling not saddle ready, to feed, train and clean and I was 13.................at 16, cars and girls became priority and I was required to self-finance..................
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        • Posted by BeenThere 8 years, 2 months ago
          "The young people I have met who own horses (and have not given up or been supported by parents who rescue them out of difficulties) are level-headed and productive, or have their eyes set on productivity."

          I am one of those who in early adolescence first had one horse, then two (and a Dalmatian to go with them). My dad laid down these rules: 1)their wellbeing was MY responsibility (and woe unto me if I did not meet it); 2) my school grades to be 3.0 or better (repeat "woe"); 3) my assigned family chores were to be fulfilled without fail (same "woe" again); 4) I was to WORK for my $$$$.........cleaning out horse stalls for other horse owners in our community (that "woe" came with the work!).

          Consequence: I learned very solidly that one's life is supported by WORK, first mental, then physical; I went to an excellent college that taught rational, critical thinking as a fundamental to begin learning after graduation (!!!); built a successful career in organizational management; in my late twenties recognized the sanity of Objectivism and spent the next many decades studying and applying it (and learning from my applicative errors).............and will continue until end of life.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 2 months ago
    Liberals are confronted with a terrible choice, Sanders or Clinton. It is the choice between a fool and a criminal. "May you live in interesting times."
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 8 years, 2 months ago
    Mandated government schooling has led to this result. If we want to focus on the one crucial thing that could restore freedom and prosperity, it should be to return responsibility for education to the parents and local communities.
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