What songs would Ayn Rand have liked?

Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 8 months ago to Entertainment
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Taxman by The Beatles?
1 for you, 19 for me ...
Of course, the Beatles were criticizing high taxes in this one, not praising them. Were they Richard Halley?


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  • Posted by JerseyBoy 11 years, 8 months ago
    Rand might have liked this one. It's one of the few popular numbers that uses the names of great historical achievers in its lyrics:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpcEhFlwY...
    Ella Fitzgerald
    "They All Laughed"
    (George & Ira Gershwin)

    The odds were a hundred to one against me
    The world thought the heights were too high to climb

    But people from Missouri never incensed me
    Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
    For from hist'ry I had learned
    How many, many times the worm had turned. . .

    They all laughed at Christopher Columbus when he said the world was round
    They all laughed when Edison recorded sound
    They all laughed at Wilbur and his brother when they said that man could fly
    They told Marconi wireless was a phony, it's the same old cry

    They laughed at me wanting you,
    said I was reaching for the moon
    But oh, you came through,
    now they'll have to change their tune
    They all said we never could be happy,
    they laughed at us and how!
    But ho, ho, ho! Who's got the last laugh now?

    They all laughed at Rockefeller Center,
    now they're fighting to get in
    They all laughed at Whitney and his cotton gin
    They all laughed Fulton and his steamboat, Hershey and his chocolate bar
    Ford and his Lizzie, kept the laughers busy, that's how people are

    They laughed at me wanting you,
    said it would be, "Hello, Goodbye."
    But oh, you came through, now they're eating humble pie

    They all said we'd never get together,
    darling, let's take a bow
    For ho, ho, ho! Who's got the last laugh?
    Hee, hee, hee! Let's at the past laugh,
    Ha, ha, ha! Who's got the last laugh now?
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
      Just to show you that I am fair, I gave JerseyBoy a thumbs-up. Gershwin fits AR's personality, and the lyrics on this one are fitting.
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago
        this ain't fair. this was value-
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
          Indeed it was value. I should have used the word "objective" or "unbiased" or "impartial" instead of "fair". I meant that wording in the strictest legal sense as in a "fair and impartial jury" as opposed to the more common moocher/looter bastardization of the word "fair". Now that I am in Atlantis I will have to refrain from such "definition creep" to avoid confusion. I suspect that we will have similar problems with a great number of such words whose definitions have been so twisted by the looters and moohcers that our vocabulary will have to be noticeably smaller.
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          • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
            Even in this last answer, the definition of creep might be understood. To a materials scientist like me, creep refers to a very slow deformation when a material is exposed to a low load at a temperature above 1/3 of its melting point for a very long time. Examples would include human muscles sagging as one ages or, more obviously to most people, what happens to a plastic, or even wooden, bookshelf over time when one puts too many books on it. The shelf will gradually bow in the middle. That is creep.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 11 years, 8 months ago
    Note: 'Had to delete and re-post to fix a URL - again. TinyURL for all this time...]

    You have to perform a kind of "suspension of disbelief" or qualify it as "If she could be pursuaded to listen to pop-rock in the first place," but... The first two songs that spring to mind that **I think** Rand might've absolutely loved - for their spectacular sense-of-life, are both by Japanese artists:

    - "Sampomichi" ("Walking-Track") by the '90s band Judy And Mary. It's just a song about taking a walk with one's favorite person on one's favorite walking path in each of the four seasons, but singer Yuki Isoya's melodic exuberance is irrepressible to the point of explosive in this song. YMMV, but it's one of the most powerful expressions of sheer joie de vivre I've ever heard. Somebody on YouTube took a bunch of video footage from his walks through different areas of Tokyo in 1999, edited it together and sped it up a bit, and used "Sampomichi" as the audio, for a stunning effect:
    http://tinyurl.com/3kxvk4n

    I think Miss Rand would've stood up and cheered at the lyrics too. A translation:
    http://tinyurl.com/3f6lwbd

    The other one is something I stumbled onto more recently, "Merrily High Go Round" by the band Doll$Boxx, which was a one-off CD collaboration that was basically the band Gacharic Spin with singer Fuki from the "power metal" band Light Bringer on vocals. Again, one of the most explosively exuberant songs I've ever heard, at least in the choruses and bridge. [I don't have a handy lyric translation for this one and my Nihongo is still in the "Where is the beer? Where is the toilet? I love you" stage, so I'm no help and the lyrical content is gravy anyway.]

    It's a pop band but with stunning instrumental chops - shades of Rush, Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment - from an all-girl band in Lolita getups who do indeed play all of their instruments, and play them well. To my ears, what really makes this band is Koga's phenomenal bass playing - she's heavy on the "slap" style, but... a great bassist is a great bassist, says Aristotle (indirectly, at least,) and there is a bass groove going on here to make Geddy weep. 8^]

    Anyhow, "Tiddlywinks Music" has just blasted into space...
    http://tinyurl.com/lyl3vwf

    [Honorable mention: "Loud Twin Stars"...whoa! http://tinyurl.com/mletw24 ]

    I could come up with a lot more, but this is already a book so I'll stop. (I try and try for brevity but it's mostly useless. When discussing music, doubly so. 8^)
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
      I started this thread knowing that I was going to get blasted on my joking speculation regarding Tax Man. It was just meant to stir up the pot a little, and it did.
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  • Posted by illucio 11 years, 8 months ago
    I´m pretty sure she would have liked Tchaicovsky and, today; King Crimson in rock, lots of Debussy and probably Piazzolla and the Bossa Nova movement.
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  • Posted by BradA 11 years, 8 months ago
    When Rand talked about Halley's missing 5th Concerto, I have always imagined it to be Keith Emerson's Piano Concerto No. 1 (from ELP's Works Vol 1.). There is a simple, up lifting melody that winds its way through the piece that is mostly carried by individual instruments which to me reinforced the importance of an individual's achievement against the backdrop of a supporting orchestra. This melody is then dropped into chaotic and dischordant movements, against which it fights and struggles until finally emerging as the dominant and heroic theme.
    The music was released toward the very end of Rand's life and I've seen no indication that she was aware of it or commented on it. But that is the beauty of the written word. Lacking explicit references, one can interpret things as one sees fit. And so, for me, this is my 5th Concerto.
    It's not too hard to find streaming sources for this. Be sure to listen to all 3 movements.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 8 months ago
    Ms. Rand's taste in music was rather narrow. Music can express all the emotions, and except for songs and aria can be enjoyed for their sound alone. I can compare music to food -- it's a matter of taste. Some will prefer French cooking with its sauces and multiple flavorings, others are happy with a chili dog. Some like exotic foods, some, the simpler the better, and some, like me, like almost all and is willing to try it before rejecting it. That means I can pick and choose from any musical genre. There is one exception, for me, which is Rap/Hip-Hop. So far, everything I've heard is not, strictly speaking, music at all.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 11 years, 8 months ago
      Agree 100%, Herb7734. What I have a taste for often depends on what I'm doing at the time. When I'm writing code or painting, I like classical such as Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, and many others. Even though I'm in my sixties, I like going out and rollerblading in the mornings for exercise and that is made for rock and roll. In my workshop when I'm woodworking, welding, or fixing the family vehicle, anything from big band to classical to rock is fair game at the time. Have no use for rap at all. It's irritating and counterproductive.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
      In Atlas-Shrugged there are chapters like Anti-Life and Anti-something else. Rap/Hip-Hop and pretty much anything since about 1990 that has gained widespread acceptance by teenagers seem like anti-music to me.
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  • Posted by squareone 11 years, 8 months ago
    I'd be surprised if "Rhapsody In Blue " was not one of her favorites. It is very uplifting, capturing the throbbing vitality of a country she admired.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 8 months ago
    Maybe Oingo Boingo: http://youtu.be/yqwUSaZZy08
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
      Wow! There's one from the archive of forgotten favorites - Weird Science by Oingo Boingo, "She blinded me with science". Neglecting the lyrics entirely, that song does have some of the characteristics of music that AR talked about in We the Living.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 8 months ago
        The lyrics were probably my earliest exposure to libertarian ideas.

        PERFECT SYSTEM
        We're all comrades now you know
        We're all brothers under the skin
        With a few adjustments now
        Living in the perfect system
        The adjustment's simple there is really no pain
        You'll hardly notice anything has changed
        Living in a programmed life never really has ups and downs
        There's no need for fighting now
        There's no reason to wear a frown
        [..]
        I can tell by the look in your blank dull eyes
        That you agree, but I'm not a bit surprised.

        CAPITALISM
        There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
        There's nothing wrong with free enterprise
        Don't try to make me feel guilty
        I'm so tired of hearing you cry

        PRIVATE LIFE
        These are my private things
        There they are against the wall
        The dirty pictures, religious objects
        These are my private things
        There's something dangerous I like
        This is my private life
        I know my problems aren't your fault
        What I really want to know
        Has it always been this way?

        NASTY HABITS
        Nasty habits I must condone
        No one knows what I do when I'm all alone
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  • Posted by trolldoll2488 5 years, 10 months ago
    Rand would have loved the entire career of Eminem, whether or not she would have particularly enjoyed listening to the music. Had she lived long enough, she might have had to face the tough conclusion that rap can be musically amazing. Even if she didn't agree with John and Yoko politically, it's hard for me to believe that Rand never spent a moment of her life privately admiring some of the things they did. "God" by Lennon is one of the most Objectivist songs I've ever heard in my life. In it, he goes on and on about how he no longer believes in anything but himself and the woman he loves while mentioning a litany of concepts/cultural institutions Rand openly disapproved of, and finally, he says "God is a concept by which we measure our pain." It's hard for me to imagine, no pun intended that Lennon, who read voraciously, never would have picked up a single Rand novel in his life. I think he would have quite liked The Fountainhead if he ever read it. Even if she couldn't have stood listening to an actual song by NWA, she would have admired their hard-line support of freedom of speech. She would have loved Ice-Cube's commitment to his work and Dre's ability to package the musical Howard Roarks of the world so that they could have such a lasting effect on culture. I'm going to cheat a little here and include much of what is played on the piano in the show, House MD because not only would she have loved Greg House, but Hugh Laurie is also an extremely talented musician.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago

    I hadn't heard this one before even though I listened to Glenn once in a while. Glenn has played some big brotherish theme music a few times that reminded me of Ayn Rand.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
    I am glad to have entertained everyone with this stimulating question. I knew that she wasn't a Beatles fan. Rand cared about the beat and the violence of the music, but where there were words, they mattered, too.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
      For songs without music, when I read We the Living, I had visions of Scheherezade by Rimsky-Korsakov, a song most of you heard recently at the Olympics. If AR were alive today, I would have expected to have seen her in Sochi watching the excellent ice dancing teams this year. I had never particularly liked ice dancing, but this year's group was the kind that you would have expected to see performing in Galt's Gulch.
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  • Posted by iroseland 11 years, 8 months ago
    here you go..

    Kino, they were a Russian band back just before the collapse. Since they were not officially sanctioned by the government there was a lot of stuff they could not do. Yet, at one point they were pretty much the most popular band in the soviet union. Even today when Zvezda Po Imeni Solntse gets covered the whole audience will sing along because they all know the song.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jmmHB3K...
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