That's right. Complete with Darth Vader and stormtroopers. Based on what Ayn Rand wrote in We the Living, I think Ayn Rand would have ranked "The Imperial March" along with "The Internationale".

To learn what Agenda 21 is all about, search on "Division of Sustainable Development." That is the office at the UN that runs it.

Here is what I get out of it:

1. Jamming humanity into a handful of ultra-dense cities.

2. Returning vast tracts of land to the wild.

All this to gain control over the people, by limiting the scope of their wanderings.

I know a bunch of the guys on the local police force, and they would revolt if something like this were tried - but I live in a fairly conservative state. I can imagine it happening in specific jurisdictions more liberal in nature, though.

I think the one you want is "The Imperial March". ;)

pardon me please, but the JBMartin reference is too obscure for me.... remy martin I understand ...

Am about to order a print run of a fine t-shirt. They are partly a fund raiser. Mining related.

Sorry 'bout your COPD. Hang in there. JBMartin is one of my heroines.

You probably fit in better than you think you do.
I think you should hang around just for the opportunity to make the acerbic comment now and then.

HUZZZAH!
A political friend says "If voting could change anything, it would be illegal."

This "voting" nonsense? Go into the little government-controlled booth and do whatever,all you want, you'll still have the same bureaucrats in charge, doing the same things, the same way.

The way the United States does business needs to be changed. But that's a long, long discussion...

whenever it was that Boulder passed a law that, when transporting a gun, the container had to be clearly labeled "gun". We thought we'd go play in the People's Republic one day - no one inquired from anyone else as to the emptiness or type of the contends of her box - except of our friend from Persia [he insists on that usage] who was carrying a guitar case with a sign that said "Inside this container is the world's most deadly weapon." It was full of pocket Constitutions, which he handed out freely.
Hmmmm, though, nobody realized that Boulder was having its annual art fair that day. The mall was PACKED. A good time was had by all, although getting a look at the nice policeman's clipboard papers and recognizing copies of your friends' drivers' license pictures was a little sobering.
We had the best t-shirts ever. In navy blue, with 3" plain block letters, they read TYRANNY RESPONSE TEAM.
How 'bout you - and what do you think about the "First Amendment Areas"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordl%C3%A2... There's a somewhat sketchy account here. Others can be found around the Internet. It's an intriguing story of ambition becoming hubris, as Ford employed American engineers who knew nothing about tropical plants, then hired local labor who were required to live in American-style housing and eat American-style food. More than five years were wasted in attempting to grow rubber trees in infertile soil before Ford hired a botanist! Eventually, the rubber plantations were moved to a more suitable location but by then, as you noted, synthetic rubber had conquered the market.

There's a neat set of photos taken while "Fordlandia" was in operation at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thehenryfor.... Going by these, it was an extremely ambitious project indeed.

Thanks Dave ,...I do remember most of Henry Ford's story. Although most of his real history has been extremely whitewashed to cover his pro-eugenic, anti Jewish and pro Nation Socialist support. I seem to remember his Brazilian rubber tree Utopia being destroyed by the perfection of synthetic rubber as his transplanted rubber trees suffered from a fungal blight.

johnpe1, Would you kindly send me a note as
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Let's assume you wanted to control the movements and activities of a large group of people. Here is one way to do it which, for the most part, would probably not be noticed:

Start a large retail or manufacturing enterprise which has low-paying jobs but which include housing and utilities as part of the package. Promote them heavily for their advantages over minimum wage jobs. Once you have employees in your "company towns", you control their access to mass media, to their families and friends, everything. Perhaps pay them with debit cards which can be used at no fee or with a nominal "reward" of some sort only when used at company-owned businesses.

Does any of this sound familiar? Because it's been done many times in America history. And many elements of it are going on now. For that matter, it is more or less the day to day life of a Japanese corporate employee.

There is no need for jackboots when people will line up to sign on. AND, a venture such as I describe above would most likely run at a profit.

For the full details about A21, this is the ISBN: 13: 978-1482672770
Chapter 36 directly relates to kommon kore.

The possibility of producers acting together may be possible now that we are starting to get know each other. There are some private islands in the Caribbean (not far from me) that might actually work. I don't think we have to be totally invisible as long as we can isolate our money away from the looters and moochers. We might be able to be small enough to be ignored.

Henry Ford did much the same thing for a number of years, providing housing for his employees which came complete with his own "morality police", who made sure that only "the right kind of people" received promotions or continued employment. He also attempted to build a sort of Utopian community in Brazil which would have produced rubber for Ford tires. As little attention was paid to reality in the course of designing the community, it failed. It was definitely not Galt's Gulch!

During recent wildfires and floods in Colorado. I have seen AmeriCorps, JobCorps and FEMA all 'work' together in the elements you have described ...I believe with Big Union help that this will be the model a over centralized Govt will at first respond and then enforce its will

well, my activities are limited by COPD and other stuff, so I can seldom vote with my peripheral-neuropathy-numbed feet these days; I do vote with the few bucks which I have left as a retiree, and I make regular contact with a host of people who may have more influence than me. Jenny Beth Martin does some good stuff in my stead, for instance.

When's the last time you were in the streets? When's the last time you took part in a sit-in? A demonstration, a rally? etc., etc. Just asking.

I do not plan on turning my back. I know that I have the back of the one next to me and so on. God has our backs when it comes down to it.

now, lostsierra, many seem to be like me, working to defeat tyranny all the time, whether through political, social, economic, literary, fraternal, historical, familial or patriotic means. our freedom appears to be dwindling because of a significant part of the population who want to be bought, and a significant part of the various governments who want to buy them.... as for me, the price of my freedom is too high.