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  • Posted by starguy 10 years ago
    "Why is everything always about race?"

    Could it be that, when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail?

    Big government liberals, like Arne Duncan and his boss, the idiot-in-chief, are so invested in creating their utopian society, that they have a very hard time handling the real world, when it intrudes on their fantasies.

    So, they fall back on their tried-and-true strategy: screaming "racism", at every turn.

    Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 10 years ago
    "The data doesn't explain why the disparities exist…" Really!!! How stupid are these people? We are really getting a lot of value out of this pack of nitwits at the education department…...I wonder if they considered looking for anything other than race when looking at their data..I bet not.
    Consider that 72.3 percent of non-Hispanic blacks are now born out-of-wedlock verses’ 29.1 percent of non-Hispanic whites why is it a shock that black children are acting out in school. If their mothers care so little about them that they fail to make sure that daddy is going to be around to help raise them, why does anyone think they would give a damn about what their little darling does at school.
    When the white kid does something wrong at school the mother…and father…are likely to say something like “Why did you do that? ….don’t do it again!!!
    The single minority mother is likely to say something like “Why is that White Bitch teacher always after you?” This sort of racist “us against them” attitude is strongly re-enforced by the current administration.

    Now I realize that I will get tarred by the race brush for having the effrontery to point out that “The emperor has no clothes” But THAT DOES NOT STOP THIS FROM BEING TRUE!
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    • Posted by airfredd22 10 years ago
      Re: evlwhtguy,

      Your analysis is 100% on the money. Every word you wrote is true and it needs to be said more often and in every forum available.

      mailto:commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years ago
    Why? Because how else are they going to keep milking the racism card unless they keep up their postings about "evil racists" while being a racist in the process...

    I remember once, yeas ago, the ideal was to be "color blind"... And for a while, it actually happened, at least where I was from...

    Except those trying to suck power out of "racism" realized it would kill their power structure... so they keep stirring the pot (or actually, catalyzing it to separate like oil and water) to keep racism alive and well.

    Typical pullmonger trick, make someone "poor and opressed" to guilt you into their policies. Makes me ill...
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  • Posted by Ranter 10 years ago
    At that age children need individual attention and individual application of appropriate discipline. That requires a low ratio of students to teachers. Properly run, a classroom of pre-schoolers can be taught appropriate behavior, response, respect and self-discipline. That is hard to do in a public school environment.
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    • Posted by plusaf 10 years ago
      and, as usual, the article doesn't even give a bit of lip service to WHY it might be happening.

      Maybe something to do with the kinds of parents that raise their preschoolers to BE disruptive at school? Nah, that would be racist, wouldn't it?
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years ago
    every kid who is suspended points like a arrow to the fact that preschool has FAILED as a concept. It is not school, it's a baby sitting service that exists to free up moms so they can go back to work. OK if that's what we want, but lets be honest.

    What we are missing is the these minority children have a much higher percentage of mothers who don't work. Since that is also the case, why does it exist?

    The REAL PC reason preschool was started was to help these kids get a equal start with white kids. Now minority kids are being kicked out for acting out and disobeying the rules?? Why not put it in the lost flight's black hole and make it disappear. Why are you surprised and why not admit it's a failure?
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
      you may be right, but I think there are some excellent preschool programs out there, some of them publicly funded. I was a stay at home mom for my children in their early years and both of them attended preschool programs. I think Headstart is a complete failure, partly because it is run by the government. I don't know how it is in every state, but in the school districts my kids attended (in 3 states) they offer parents assessments on 3-4 year olds. Some simple like hearing and vision tests. But also they try and gauge development- can your child count to 10, do they know the alphabet, those kinds of things. For children with some developmental delays they may qualify for early preschools. My son was not speaking at two, it turns out he was like Dr. Sowell ;), although he was developmentally doing other things at a kinder level, they encouraged me to enroll him. I did and actually was glad for it. He chose not to speak but still enjoyed his preschool. We eventually hired a speech therapist. My point is, why are so many children suspended whose parents may be on assistance and unemployed?
      The child is around their unemployed parent more than a child with two working parents is- why the behavioral delay? Again, I wonder how many of these children are boys just being little boys. Part of it could be the environment they are raised in. Areas of high poverty with lots of gangs, for example?
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      • Posted by airfredd22 10 years ago
        Re: khalling,

        Your post is a perfect example of the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence. It's wonderful that your kids had the positive experience they did, but the empirical evidence suggests that too many minority children are in fact affected by their living conditions as expressed by evlwhtguy above.

        Fred Speckmann
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      • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years ago
        I want clarity in any discussion like this, so here are the results of preschool - http://blogs.wsj.com/juggle/2009/01/21/d...

        I think the jury is out about if preschool really makes kids better students later (that WAS the reason for it to be created). But, with what we see preschool morphing into (baby sitters and parental substitutes), I question it's value.
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        • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
          Let me also ask you, at your church, how does sunday school break out? are 4-5 year olds just participating in the nursery school room? I imagine they are pulled into their own class with an educational curriculum-not just play time. I am not saying that age needs to go to preschool, I just think you can bathe two babies with one tub of bath water. ;)
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          • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years ago
            Actually our Sunday School starts in the sanctuary, where pledges to the flag, bible and Christ are conducted followed by prayer and announcements and the overall theme for the SS class is given. Following this, we break out for a 30 minute class, segregated by age, true.

            That's followed by the preaching service which in our church is MUCH more like a educational class that I had in college.

            We follow that with a potluck lunch, before we go home. Since our emphasis is on families and many of our members have larges families, there are kids everywhere.

            After lunch some of us go to the rear of the property where we have a range set up and spend some quality family time target shooting. Once a month we have a "shootout" match with ribbons awarded.

            Most of our kids that are 4-5 are starting to shoot (small bore or pellet guns) along side mom and dad. However, strollers are not uncommon in the range house which has sound proofing. Parents take turns in there.

            Yes KH, it is a long day, but it's a day growing together with people who are educated, trained and well armed citizens.
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            • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
              sounds like fun ;)
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              • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years ago
                It's intended to be. There's no good that comes from boring people or just giving them a fancy show. Our kids grow up wanting to go to church. Eventually they have friends who want them to visit their church and the kids always tell us how much more they get at our church. We pack more love and caring into every minute than a lot of churches generate in a month. BUT I just might be opinionated on the subject.
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        • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
          well the article is clear that "high quality" preschool programs show measurable benefits through 5th grade. You and I will agree head start would not qualify as high quality. Although not trained as a teacher, my parents were both teachers-my mom a primary grade teacher-so I felt I had some understanding of the quality of teh programs my children participated in. and my point is, there are high quality preschools out there, some publicly funded, which are not a daycare situation. Often they are 2 or 3 1/2 day a week programs-hardly daycare. Can we not separate those out?
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          • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years ago
            There's a huge difference between a Montessori pre-school and a daycare center. While the daycare center may provide some learning opportunities, they are mostly just holding facilities for the mother (and father should there actually be one in the picture) to dump the little one during the day so that they can go do something else. I'd say work, but a goodly portion don't do that. They get gov't paid daycare so that they can watch soaps, pros themselves, or go on a drug binge.
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            • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
              that's what's great about owning your own business. take your kid to work day. there were several times I even took my toddler niece to work when we still maintained a commercial office. entrepreneurs are good with that. you can even put a toddler to "work"
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years ago
    Maybe they're just not taught discipline and manners at home. Could that have anything to do with it?
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    • Posted by skidance 10 years ago
      I don't think anyone should become a parent without first taking parenting and child development classes. However, this should be a social norm, not the law.
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      • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
        huh?! there are books...and mentors like grandparents...
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        • Posted by skidance 10 years ago
          Books and grandparents are indeed helpful.

          However, I think it's vital for parents to understand not just the physical developmental stages and physical care of children, but their emotional and psychological development, as well. And how many people know the typical age ranges for sitting, crawling, eating solid foods, etc.? Not to mention toilet training! So many people seem to think, for example, that toilet training should begin at age 1.... Or when and how to begin setting limits.

          And how many know the warning signs of possible hearing difficulties? Or autism?

          I say, forewarned is forearmed!

          After all, any good parent wants the best possible start in life for his/her children, right?
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          • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
            yep. which is why I am glad you are in our corner. but-required is a charged word....we build communities...on the Gulch we have many young participants. If they have parenting questions maybe they'll ask....but they are individualistic.... they hopefully are letting their little ones bounce hard on tramps and run hard on grass and slide and skin knees, and go to the park ALONE on their bike...that's what we did, right?
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years ago
    If there are behavioral problems it should go back to the parent's lap to deal with, that's the point of the suspension. Stay home with the parents, and not allowed into class because of his/her disruptive or mean behavior towards others. Unfortunately the parent is usually the problem to begin with. And this has NOTHING to do with color. Race is used as a reason to blame something other than what the real problem is...which is usually bad parenting. Once we figure out how to fix stupid out of existence, we won't have this problem.... or many many other problems this country currently has. Any ideas on how to fix THAT?
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    • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years ago
      First; I have never agreed that putting 3, 4, or 5 yr old children in structured social situations is good for anyone, unless your goal is to start programming as early as possible. Even with good parenting, not all children at that age are going to be able to adapt as easily.

      As for parents that turn that age child over to some state run institution to guide and punish through humiliating exile. well...
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years ago
        I agree with that too...now that I see it every day. However, bad parenting does children no good at any age. They create their own monsters that will bite them in the ass when they hit teen years.
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      • Posted by jsw225 10 years ago
        That's because school is no longer school. It's a Pre-K through 12th grade Babysitting venture.

        Anything that can be learned or may be learned is a distant second place in importance.
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        • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years ago
          Most of the teachers' heads are focused on their pensions and benefits. Some try really hard be get exhausted and worn out from demands coming from all angles. I'm convinced common core will weed out the truly good teachers and we'll be left with mediocrity who's focus is on their pensions and benefits and counting the years til they can retire with a full boat. Parents aren't paying attention for the most part.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
      well kids are getting suspended for wearing certain teeshirts on the wrong day-why should we trust an alarmingly high number of preschoolers getting suspended? The small number-well- It's definitely the parent's fault they have a little thug unless they are a sociopath-but they are 4-5 years old. School systems have plenty of money and resources to be addressing those issues. heck we have tv shows that do it in a couple of episodes...I certainly understand the disruptive situations these children can pose in a classroom. Do you really buy these high numbers?
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      • Posted by $ KahnQuest 10 years ago
        Exactly... wear the wrong shirt on the wrong day, get suspended (and Barry don't care). Make the symbol of a gun with your thumb & finger, get suspended (and Barry don't care). Give a classmate a kiss or a hug, get suspended (and Barry don't care). Be black and get suspended for any reason... suddenly Barry cares.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
    agreed. but why are preschoolers getting suspended? I think it's more about controlling parents than educating.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years ago
      They are being programmed at an early age to obey and cave to the authoratarian. Ever read Brave New World? So did the current "social architect" goon squad driving our nation into ruin - except where rational people said "Oh, the horrors", the goons said "We can program them to obey us from cradle to grave".

      Thinking about it, where getting suspended used to mean shame and punishment when one got home, I think I'd now reward the kids for not kowtowing to the almighty School Board. If they suspend kids for showing basic American liberties, then its the school system that is broken, not the kids!
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  • Posted by Notperfect 10 years ago
    Because a reverse racist resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. No matter the cost or who gets hurt. When king George III ordered the Stamp Act did it matter to who or the cost? No. Same acts are in motion today.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years ago
    Uh wait a minute here:
    Earlier this year, the Obama administration issued guidance encouraging schools to abandon what it described as overly zealous discipline policies that send students to court instead of the principal's office. But, even before the announcement, school districts have been adjusting policies that disproportionately affect minority students.
    1. Most administrators are just as incompetent as most politicians (based on personal observation, I know generalization is a bad thing, but no one has ever shown me how someone who has been in the "education system" all their life ever picked up the 2oz of common sense people get when they have to work a real job for a living) I am willing to be proved wrong.
    2. Sending a violent kid with a weapon to the principal is not a good option, Arne and Eric pls take note.
    3. Most courts don't get someone in them unless there is some kind of proof of a crime, like step 2 above.
    4. They conveniently left out any facts, and relied on good ol' generalization.
    Maybe Holder feels that if no one has held him accountable for his little bag of bad deeds, why should anyone else be held accountable?
    "Racisim" is just a component of the "smoke and mirrors" package they use to confuse the large amount of people who have not uidentified the fact they are angry because of the the violation of one of Ayn Rands philosophies: Value for Value
    What value did I get from any of the things in that article?
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  • Posted by alonzocobb 10 years ago
    Putting everything on race enables some to avoid the obvious question, viz., why are blacks and other minorities worse performers than others? Putting it in a racial context makes it look like the minority is being picked on. Besides, this is a non-issue. 5,000 kids out of 1 million is 5/1000, or 1/2 of one percent. If half of them are minority, then 1/4 of one percent are causing problems. If blacks are 18% of the total, then that's 2,500/180,000, or 1.39%; that means that 98.61% of the black students aren't a problem at all. If we do the same analysis using the smaller number (of students being punished more than once), the numbers are cut in half. The article is creating a mountain out of a molehill.
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