Bernie Sanders just made a very big promise on immigration

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago to Government
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It seems Bernie wants to take the Imperial Purple from the Obamanation. For all his "democratic" blather, he is just as willing to abuse the Constituion and use the illegal Executive Order fakery to get his way. If he will do it for this, he will do it for that (like Free College and Healthcare). Didn't any of the idiots who have cobbeled together enough graft to run for office ever take a civics class? Have they forgotten that we have 3 branches of government just to stop idiots like this from ramming their crap ideology illegally down our throats? Guess not.... Bernie says:

Bottom line is a path towards citizenship for 11 million undocumented people, if Congress doesn’t do the right thing, we use the executive orders of the president.”

Crap.....


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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yep, this opens the way for them to graciously wait for the next Pres, force Clinton on us, and give Barack the appt. That was already talked about by her, is it any wonder Wassermann is pulling out all the stops to get her in? Unless Biden promises the Obamanation the seat...
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The dems are too far left to really attack him, I can't wait to see him fold in a general election. He will get creamed in the south and the west though by Hillary where socialist really is a bad word, that's why he is suddenly pandering more than before.

    He can't overturn codified law with an order, he can ignore one by not prosecuting, but cannot create one or overturn one.

    The guy tried to immigrate to the former Soviet Union with his new bride and she dragged him back after a few years, the opposition research is in overdrive.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Could be the whole mess is just a gathering of sewage, But it seems to me that there is some overall planning in everything going on, either that, or a bunch of competing interests creating anarchy..
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Bingo! You win the civics discussion of the day. It's amazing how many can see this here, and apparently it takes 50 talking heads to toally muddle it up, and then just a few mor stories from politicians to take us back to where we started.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago
    Bernie will win the demo nomination over Hillary, but will lose to a Republican in November. If he did win Congress would be against him
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 2 months ago
    Crap is correct! No one should be rewarded for entering another country illegally! It's not heartless, it's the law and common sense...but that seems to evade the liberal culture. bernie is among the dumbest among them.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
    Mr. Sanders is more dangerous than he generally is given credit for. Never before has anyone espousing his ideas risen to his place nor attracted the votes of the youth to such a degree. His prominence is an illustration of how ignorant today's youth is and how far we've fallen in our responsibility toward raising our children. The rest of his followers seem to be people who have been hurt through improper implementation of authority and blame the system rather than the person(s).

    It's going to be a very interesting year, as the death of Scalia becomes a political football, and Mrs. Clinton becomes a wide receiver.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    1) Blurt the boundaries. 2) Move the boundaries. 3) Annihilate the boundaries.
    That is the 3-step waltz of evil.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago
    Sanders is a senile old man with a dangerous tyrannical bent if he really believes this nonsense. Immigration rules are set by Congress - not the Executive. The problem is one of multiple parts.

    #1 - misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment was never meant to cover illegals, yet has been used that way by the Court system to justify all kinds of rights normally reserved for citizens.

    #2 - Executive "discretion". This one is really the Executive deciding to re-write the immigration laws in its favor by failing to execute the existing laws and claiming "discretion" in their enforcement.

    #3 - a Congress who won't act to Impeach a President clearly violating his duties, nor to simply defund any of his executive actions.

    So what we really have is dysfunctional government from all three branches. Those charged with carrying out the law are trying to change it. Those charged with adjudicating the law pervert its meaning. And those charged with creating the law turn a blind eye.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That makes it sound like a top-down decision, like maybe some politicians and industry leaders in a "back room". I think the decision was made in tiny increments, by little things like people looking for a nanny or snow removal without any thought to broad gov't policy.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly, because it was the easiest thing to do, and served many special interests. One might think it was intentional?
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. We could have created a zona franca. Instead we've created an underground free trade zone of the whole country by looking the other way.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Undocumented being not having a legal citizen record in the country. It is probably double that when you add in all the real citizens that can't get their ID due to all the efforts to control the other half.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are ways to do that, such as trade zones that are not in the country, or are made up of parts of each but are not in either. You need special laws and rules to deal with it but it accomplishes the purpose without opening the door.There are always options, it is just no one will do anything without checking it out with their lobbyist masters.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Freedom, I think the problem is the law has been so muddied with amendmants for special interests, that is is a much the problem as not. All of the laws of the country today are so mushed up with exceptions and special cases that I am not sure you can do anything, without having dragged out for years, which seems to be the purpose. We need to put the whole legal system on a diet and drop 90% of it as waste.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is my problem, the use of EO to solve issues is not only illegal, unconstitutional, but just makes the dysfunction of congress much worse.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CG, the obvious reality is that the executive branch has not even tried to enforce the law. They have done everything they can to attract more invaders. They have pardoned millions of invaders. There are no rational excuses for treason.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think it's that borders are harder (not impossible) to manage in the modern world. People want to sell their services and other people want to buy them. It's harder today for a government and a line on a map to keep buyers and sellers apart.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree complete that we shouldn't even have borders if we're just going to look the other way. We have to admit we did that and it got us into the situation we're in. Congress should come up with some way to bring the millions (it might be 20 million) people into being legally allowed to be here. They should find some way to keep people from hiring or working with people who aren't supposed to be here. I read him as saying that, but then he says if Congress won't do it the president can do it.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sanders is a $%^& idiot.
    I could not disagree with him more.
    The laws on immigration do not need any more federal tinkering. The problem is that the executive branch does not enforce the law.
    Obama and the 3 presidents before him are all guilty of treason because they allowed the invasion of America by aliens to occur. This destruction of the American culture of individual liberty and responsibility has been done with malicious intent.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago
    "We’ve got 11 million undocumented people in this country."

    Darn, how does one who is "documented" get to be "undocumented?" Sounds like the first step toward being a striker.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I must disagree with you here. His insistance the Obamanation was correct is just another endorsement of a dysfunctional system trying to desperately find workarounds for a problem that has been here for a very long time. You cannot order your way around this, the idiots have to quit their "my way or the highway" approach and find a solution that is both fair and equitable to all parties. What use are borders if they are only used by the few people left who actually follow the law? This has a cascade effect across the board, and the issue needs to be fixed. The fact Bernie is saying this is proof to me he is just another manipulator with no original ideas or commitment to fixing anything, which is the last thing we need. Not that there are any other choices, which is also one of the big problems.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
    I agree with him on every line Sanders said in the quote except for the last line saying if we can't do it legally the president can take the law into his own hands.
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