Bernie Sanders just made a very big promise on immigration

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago to Government
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It seems Bernie wants to take the Imperial Purple from the Obamanation. For all his "democratic" blather, he is just as willing to abuse the Constituion and use the illegal Executive Order fakery to get his way. If he will do it for this, he will do it for that (like Free College and Healthcare). Didn't any of the idiots who have cobbeled together enough graft to run for office ever take a civics class? Have they forgotten that we have 3 branches of government just to stop idiots like this from ramming their crap ideology illegally down our throats? Guess not.... Bernie says:

Bottom line is a path towards citizenship for 11 million undocumented people, if Congress doesn’t do the right thing, we use the executive orders of the president.”

Crap.....
SOURCE URL: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/02/12/bernie-sanders-just-made-a-very-big-promise-on-immigration/


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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 2 months ago
    Sanders is a senile old man with a dangerous tyrannical bent if he really believes this nonsense. Immigration rules are set by Congress - not the Executive. The problem is one of multiple parts.

    #1 - misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment was never meant to cover illegals, yet has been used that way by the Court system to justify all kinds of rights normally reserved for citizens.

    #2 - Executive "discretion". This one is really the Executive deciding to re-write the immigration laws in its favor by failing to execute the existing laws and claiming "discretion" in their enforcement.

    #3 - a Congress who won't act to Impeach a President clearly violating his duties, nor to simply defund any of his executive actions.

    So what we really have is dysfunctional government from all three branches. Those charged with carrying out the law are trying to change it. Those charged with adjudicating the law pervert its meaning. And those charged with creating the law turn a blind eye.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Bingo! You win the civics discussion of the day. It's amazing how many can see this here, and apparently it takes 50 talking heads to toally muddle it up, and then just a few mor stories from politicians to take us back to where we started.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 8 years, 2 months ago
      The dems are too far left to really attack him, I can't wait to see him fold in a general election. He will get creamed in the south and the west though by Hillary where socialist really is a bad word, that's why he is suddenly pandering more than before.

      He can't overturn codified law with an order, he can ignore one by not prosecuting, but cannot create one or overturn one.

      The guy tried to immigrate to the former Soviet Union with his new bride and she dragged him back after a few years, the opposition research is in overdrive.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 2 months ago
    Careful of the documentation leash, it can come back and bite you when you start getting stopped to see your documentation. It may, at first, just be a little inconvenient so that you can be sure to make life hard for those aliens that scare you. But over the 76 years of my life, the leash has tightened considerably.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
    "We’ve got 11 million undocumented people in this country."

    Darn, how does one who is "documented" get to be "undocumented?" Sounds like the first step toward being a striker.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Undocumented being not having a legal citizen record in the country. It is probably double that when you add in all the real citizens that can't get their ID due to all the efforts to control the other half.
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  • Posted by MagicDog 8 years, 2 months ago
    Trump is resonating across all demographics.   He wants to reign in uncontrolled immigration and bring the jobs back to the US.  No other candidate advocates both.  I am currently employed in IT for a large Aerospace contractor.  80% of the employees are from India.  They are willing to come all this way at low wages because they can bring wives who can have a couple of babies while they are here.  Most of the supervision is people from India and I am afraid I will lose my job also.  Trump is giving hope to the unemployed and employed citizens alike.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
      Trump only makes promises he cannot keep. He fits with the GOP's constant promoting fear and promising a solution using more government interference, more taxes. Always the wrong solution.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
        But: Trump resonates with the average sheeple because he is as nutty as they are. He says what they are thinking, and he lies, cheats and steals just like most people have done at one time or another. That is a completely different fish from idiots like Schumer who is whining about giving the Democraps a seat on the SC, when 18 months before Bush was banned, he outright said they would not consider any nominee that the Bush Admin submitted. He is a weasely liar who is one of the poster children for all the corrupt lying BS everyone is fed up with. Trump just happens to be "One of us" against "them". He has a real good chance of winning, if they don't find a slick ad agency to string together all his flips, flops and changes over the years. I do not think he is any better or worse than the rest of the criminal crowd, he is just a different, very odd, flavor.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 2 months ago
    Maybe it will be good if he gets in there and demonstrates the craziness. Maybe the public will wake up.
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    • Posted by stargeezer 8 years, 2 months ago
      Some people said the very same thing about Obama and look where we are now. The loss of Scalia was a major blow and perhaps the Senate can push BO back hard enough to stop him, but if another of these near 90yo lifetime appointees assumes room temp. there won't be any way that O'Connell will stand up to him.

      As for the collage age kids who are all excited over Bernie, what can you expect. They've been undergoing 12-16 years of indoctrination into liberal thinking. For Bernie to stand up and promise free school, free loans, free what ever, it's just expected. Everybody knows that the real important things are that we "save" the planet and what the Kardashians think (do they really think???) - economics is way too uninteresting.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
    Bernie will win the demo nomination over Hillary, but will lose to a Republican in November. If he did win Congress would be against him
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      One would think, never underestimate the power of stupidity and corruption to force their will on us.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
        Bernie is like someone's grandfather. So kind and caring, trying to right all the wrongs. All he needs is to create a money tree that requires no human inputs and never stops giving free money to him for his programs. He is just out of touch with the realities of life. He wouldnt survive if he was on his own.
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        • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 2 months ago
          He didn't survive when he was on his own....He was a true failure. He didn't have a job until he got one from the government at the age of forty something. His second wife has also helped support him. This guy is a true testament to socialism. ...live off other people's money.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
            He should go live in Venezuela to see where his policies will lead. Maybe he knows already, but is just playing the system to get power.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
              Never gonna happen, term. Their model is to impose their "brilliance" on all of us, and live in opulence. Just like the current crop of clowns are doing today. There is a reason felony Pelosi exempted her gang and a whole host of those that paid, from Obamanation Care.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 2 months ago
    Crap is correct! No one should be rewarded for entering another country illegally! It's not heartless, it's the law and common sense...but that seems to evade the liberal culture. bernie is among the dumbest among them.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
    Mr. Sanders is more dangerous than he generally is given credit for. Never before has anyone espousing his ideas risen to his place nor attracted the votes of the youth to such a degree. His prominence is an illustration of how ignorant today's youth is and how far we've fallen in our responsibility toward raising our children. The rest of his followers seem to be people who have been hurt through improper implementation of authority and blame the system rather than the person(s).

    It's going to be a very interesting year, as the death of Scalia becomes a political football, and Mrs. Clinton becomes a wide receiver.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
    I agree with him on every line Sanders said in the quote except for the last line saying if we can't do it legally the president can take the law into his own hands.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
      Sanders is a $%^& idiot.
      I could not disagree with him more.
      The laws on immigration do not need any more federal tinkering. The problem is that the executive branch does not enforce the law.
      Obama and the 3 presidents before him are all guilty of treason because they allowed the invasion of America by aliens to occur. This destruction of the American culture of individual liberty and responsibility has been done with malicious intent.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
        I think it's that borders are harder (not impossible) to manage in the modern world. People want to sell their services and other people want to buy them. It's harder today for a government and a line on a map to keep buyers and sellers apart.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
          CG, the obvious reality is that the executive branch has not even tried to enforce the law. They have done everything they can to attract more invaders. They have pardoned millions of invaders. There are no rational excuses for treason.
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        • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 2 months ago
          If you believe that, go do that in North Korea, or even Mexico.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
            "If you believe [gov't cannot keep buyers and sellers apart], go do that in North Korea, or even Mexico."
            Mexico has an industry bringing labor, sex, and drugs to people who can afford them, even if the Mexican gov't and other people's gov't try to stop it. Buyers and sellers find a way.

            North Korea is a real counter-example to what I said. If a gov't wants to be like North Korea, accepts being a black spot on the photos from orbit showing the lights of human activity, then the gov't really can keep buyers and sellers apart.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
          There are ways to do that, such as trade zones that are not in the country, or are made up of parts of each but are not in either. You need special laws and rules to deal with it but it accomplishes the purpose without opening the door.There are always options, it is just no one will do anything without checking it out with their lobbyist masters.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
            Yes. We could have created a zona franca. Instead we've created an underground free trade zone of the whole country by looking the other way.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
              Exactly, because it was the easiest thing to do, and served many special interests. One might think it was intentional?
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
                That makes it sound like a top-down decision, like maybe some politicians and industry leaders in a "back room". I think the decision was made in tiny increments, by little things like people looking for a nanny or snow removal without any thought to broad gov't policy.
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                  Could be the whole mess is just a gathering of sewage, But it seems to me that there is some overall planning in everything going on, either that, or a bunch of competing interests creating anarchy..
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
                    Maybe, but all things being equal I suspect accident and poor planning rather than nefarious and effective planning.

                    I also would point out that overall in terms of the average people's ability to chose their life, pursue their dreams, get their ideas out, be free from thugs, things are amazingly good.

                    It's far from perfect. Gov't takes almost half what you make if you're successful. Gov't isn't respecting the Constitution. We're in danger of it falling apart. We're hardly following it now, and if the debt turns into a crisis at the same time as some low-life criminals kill a few thousand people in a politically-motivated attack, stuff that happens throughout history, it could disappear. Those little bumps could kill what we have.

                    This state of affairs is still amazingly good for human history. We have all these problems, but looking at us since agriculture started, it looks like the arc of history really does bend toward justice.

                    I imagine there were people when the US was founded saying, what a bunch of hypocritical crap. Women's rights are not recognized. We're stealing this country from the people who were hear and building it up with kidnapped slaves. They would be correct. It was still an amazing leap, realizing ancient dreams of power flowing from the people to the gov't.

                    My whole point in this is I say it's pointless to wonder why things are so far from perfect. Far from perfect is normal for humankind. But we don't accept it, and we make things get better.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
        Freedom, I think the problem is the law has been so muddied with amendmants for special interests, that is is a much the problem as not. All of the laws of the country today are so mushed up with exceptions and special cases that I am not sure you can do anything, without having dragged out for years, which seems to be the purpose. We need to put the whole legal system on a diet and drop 90% of it as waste.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      I must disagree with you here. His insistance the Obamanation was correct is just another endorsement of a dysfunctional system trying to desperately find workarounds for a problem that has been here for a very long time. You cannot order your way around this, the idiots have to quit their "my way or the highway" approach and find a solution that is both fair and equitable to all parties. What use are borders if they are only used by the few people left who actually follow the law? This has a cascade effect across the board, and the issue needs to be fixed. The fact Bernie is saying this is proof to me he is just another manipulator with no original ideas or commitment to fixing anything, which is the last thing we need. Not that there are any other choices, which is also one of the big problems.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
        I agree complete that we shouldn't even have borders if we're just going to look the other way. We have to admit we did that and it got us into the situation we're in. Congress should come up with some way to bring the millions (it might be 20 million) people into being legally allowed to be here. They should find some way to keep people from hiring or working with people who aren't supposed to be here. I read him as saying that, but then he says if Congress won't do it the president can do it.
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