She’s 86. She can’t get a photo ID. Look at the voter fraud we’ve prevented

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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While this is a Republicrat basher, it does point out something to remember, and note when told "not so". Laws get manipulated for every purpose imaginable, and sold using someother totally unrelated justification. I'm ok with proving you are a citizen, as well as having to stake it all in one place so you don't get counted like a lot of democratic voters do: several times. But the common sense approach would be to use existing records and let it go at that. Next manipulation will be to allow anyone to register with a K mart receipt, and then back it will go when the ruling party changes hands.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
    While I hate that the beauracracy is making a mess again, this woman's process of deciding who to vote for is one reason the fedgov never changes for the better.
    Voted for GOP for 65 years. Why change just because they have betrayed me for 65 years?.
    Suffrage should be limited to those who can show thinking ability.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      That is indeed correct, I think since she represents the majority of the sheeple, the system has evolved to support and nurture them. They just can't help themselves...like addicts...
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      • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 2 months ago
        I work with addicts in a 12 step program. Although their predilection to use may persist, they can recover to the point that they can abstain and live relatively normal lives. Many of the "sheeple" can't even get to Step 1 by realizing that they are in an untenable thought process.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
          Been sober for 26 years. The other missing factor is self honesty. The sheeple will live forever in the fantasy world of Bernie and Hillary and Donald, before they will face the evil reality of a bankrupt nation run by criminals. And not one honest person in sight who they will elect, as the truth does not set them free.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
      Freedomforall:
      I doubt if that would work. I have advocated for years that voters should take the same test as those applying for citizenship. At least then, they will have some inkling of how the country works. And while we're at it, I also propose that those who run for office should be tested on their knowledge of the Constitution before they are even allowed to run.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 2 months ago
    " the fog of bureaucracy"
    Boy, my wife and I are finding this problem everywhere...seems no one knows anything but even if one should run into a competent person in one of our bureaucracies or insurance companies there is no guarantee that their up to speed with the latest perversion of the laws or regulations.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      I have not found it limited to any particular species. Lots of businesses have gone down that road, and even when you call or write, you are either ignored or fed BS that doesn't work. Then you get billed....
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  • Posted by rbunce 8 years, 2 months ago
    Just to be clear... in NC she can vote without a required photo ID... by voting by mail. Assuming of course she is registered to vote which does also require some ID. IF we are not going to verify voters when they actually cast a vote then we should get rid of the Federal and State Constitutional requirements for voting including being a citizen, being at least 18, being a resident (State and Local elections), not being incarcerated, not being a felon (in some States), and being alive. Anyone who presents themselves to vote can vote, no checking of any kind (which of course would be disenfranchising), anyone can vote anywhere, anytime, as often as they like (checking to see if they have already voted would also be disenfranchising.) That NC bureaucrats, who despise the Republican majority in the legislature for among other reasons no lavish compensation increases, cannot figure out how to issue free photo IDs is not surprising.
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  • Posted by Timelord 8 years, 2 months ago
    Naturally that article had to be written as an editorial and not hard news - as if we ever get any hard news these days. I'm blown away that she had a problem with her maiden name vs her married name. Seeing that her name as listed on her birth certificate and her other documentation was consistent with a married woman the voter registration should have continued without any fuss at all.

    If the editorialist were interested in the truth he would have contacted the registrar of voters, the DMV, the assemblyman or senator that represented her town, and either the Secretary of the State or a county official, depending on how things like that work in that state. That would have allowed him to get several explanations of the current law vs past law and how current law is supposed to be implemented. That registrar of voters may not have followed the rules, or maybe the rules are seriously f'ed up right now, but at least we'd know. Instead he chose to write a sensational story about an old woman whose rights are being trampled by evil Republicans. (In CT each town has at least two registrars of voters, one Republican and one Democrat. If it's like that where she is then why didn't the editorial list which one turned her down? Was it both?)

    The assertion that the Republicans intention was to make voting harder rather than easier is absurd, typical progressive bullshit. Nobody wants to make voting harder but the integrity of the voter rolls is one of the most important functions of government.

    I have run for Secretary of the State of Connecticut twice, on the Libertarian ticket. During my first campaign I attended a candidates' forum with one of the registrars of voters associations. It was in the very early days of "motor voter," where voter registration was being allowed at the same time your got your driver's license. The registrars were, as a group, not at all pleased. They took their duty as protectors of the integrity of the voting lists extremely seriously.

    One of the main duties of the Secretary of the State as described in the CT constitution is to maintain the integrity of the voter rolls. Our current SOTS has just proposed that people should be automatically registered to vote when they get their driver's license. Never mind that CT issues drivers licenses to "undocumented citizens." One can argue the wisdom of that, but one cannot make an argument that illegal aliens are permitted to vote in political elections in CT without tearing up the laws that say otherwise.

    Democrats, Greens and other progressives get hopping mad when you bring up voter fraud and scream at you that there has never been any. They have to scream because otherwise people would hear your rebuttal listing many, many documented cases of rampant voter fraud in CT.

    Lastly, one can look at every law or regulation that we consider "good" and find examples of people who are hurt by it, and it will always appear to be absurd. It will, in fact, probably actually be absurd. That's insufficient to declare it a bad law.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Oregon went down the same road and I never heard if it went through. They wanted it to be automatic, so if you got as license, you got registered. The issue that most people fought was they were giving licenses to illegal immigrants, knowing they were such. I had to pay 60.00 to Delaware to get my "real" birth certificate, despite the fact I have an ID card issued by the military. I think the point to be made is both parties manipulate the rules and laws for their own ends, and lie out their a@@es to get them. The whole vote by mail ripoff just makes it worse here, you never know what the real count is, just what the County Clerk makes up. So we had a Republicrat candidate for County Commissioner start with a 105 vote lead, that dwindled through several recounts to a loss of 5 votes to the incumbent. And no one questioned it...when I asked where we go to witness the vote counting I was told you can't, it's in a "secured" part of the county courthouse..secured from who?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
    It's a rigged election anyway and I don't vote for the left wing fascists so any Republican or Democrat left winger are out of luck I'm voting against left wing socialist fascism. I'm no f-n turncoat traitor to the Constitution.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
    as for me, I do not care how difficult it is to get an ID
    which will keep my voting privilege active. . I will do it
    if it requires that I drive to yosemite and back to tennessee.
    if there are people who find this a problem, it's something
    which we should fix. . but in the meantime, I will fight
    to maintain my voting privilege. . tooth and nail. -- j
    .
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Good for you John. I do too, I just gave up on it ever being accurately represented.
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      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
        I know that I can't expect accurate representation,,,
        so I just do the best that I can with the situation..... -- j
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
          That's all we can do, we are so outnumbered....honesty is a rare commodity today.
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          • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
            that's why I adore this group of people here in the gulch,
            Chief;;; many are honest and straight-at-you, with
            integrity to boot!!! -- j
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
              Hard to find a place where you can at least express a considered opinion that does not need to fit the party line, and people respect each other enough to not go all crazy over it. Even when some people get feisty over specifics (such as religion), at least there is some discussion and leeway. I prefer someone discussing, disagreeing or debating an issue, no matter the subject, as long as they are honest and respectful. That is why I don't watch the dumb a@@ debates or engage in the party politics.Honesty, integrity and respect should be core values, often lacking in almost any public place anymore.
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              • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
                I have read books, received advice, been chastised
                and advised and even complimented by people here,
                and the result is a stronger sense of optimism for the future,
                since there are many whom I know are fighting for it
                like I am. . this is a great place with many fine people!!! -- j
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 2 months ago
    I understood from way back (in fact, I remember
    reading it in an encyclopedia), that in America a
    person's legal name is the name by which he is
    generally known. (I assume that this was done to
    prevent the kind of "writ of error" issue which exists, or used to, in Britain, where a whole in-
    dictment could be dismissed or overturned on
    such a technicality). As to keeping one person
    from voting several times in the same election,
    I guess that could be prevented by checking the
    person's address. So could two different addres-
    ses result in two different votes? Maybe, but
    perhaps the state government could check out
    duplicate addresses or duplicate names a few
    weeks before the election.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      The use the KISS principle and send ballots to al lout of date addresses to make sure they get their ballot even if they forgot to give address change, forgot to register, etc etc etc.

      they don''t seem to check the ballots sent back in from that system either. very fast....
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Liberty, I think you are relying on assuming the people dong the counting WANT to make sure it is all done right. I have seen too many cases of "recount math" going in favor of the establishment candidate, to believe that is true, "Hanging chads" was just the start. I think honest elections were abandoned 50 years ago. Look at Oregon for a great example of how you can control the vote: vote by mail, and never be able to witness the count. It ends up being whatever they want. They don't even care if they get found out now, they have all adopted the "screw you" defense (look at the IRS/Hillary State Dept issues for proof). When the powerful can just say "we don't care, and then blatantly break the law, and the guarantors of our freedom just splutter and bitch, then they have won.
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  • Posted by craigerb 8 years, 2 months ago
    This article shows the need for a National ID which can be used to verify voters and recipients of govt benefits.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      I am not so sure your statement is accurate. Look at all the abuses of all the other crazy forms of ID, as well as the total lack of control over the information needed to prove identity. Just as they steal your stuff to steal your money and credit, they will manipulate the info and steal your National identity as well. They can't manage it locally, I am sure the odds go down as we go up in the Imperial levels of control. Stop giving out Drivers Licenes to every special interest group that shouldn't have them in the first place, and we could use them just fine. The issue is whatever they want to manipulate the voter base with, they will, with impunity. The fact that a real citizen may not be able to make up the crap they want to hear, is irrelevant to them, they don't need or want her vote. It goes back to the whole basic disregard for the vote in the first place. Look at the abuses documented in video in Ohio last Pres election, where the machine was rigged for Dumbocrap only, you couldn't get it to take a Republicrat vote, yet no one ever investigated, no one went to jail, no one cared. That was due to the fact the ones who are responsible for the security are the ones doing it.
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  • Posted by mccwho 8 years, 2 months ago
    I wonder what the conversation contents were with the BMV worker?
    Some people can't help but mention why they are getting something. Maybe it was mentioned that she wanted this so she could vote, (even further what party).

    So that leaves the question that if such a subject was brought up, did the BMV worker knowingly not mention the form, (for whatever reason politically or agenda based) ?

    I just have to wonder, because I know there are those zealots out there.

    Remember that lady whom worked for a government agency and abused her authority by looking at the personal information of "Joe the Plumber", when he confronted Obuma? Of course she was let go, but then later rehired by the same agency (if my memory is correct), (Hummm).
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Oh, man, what a can of worms to open. Look at the IRS (who give the finger successfully to the House), and the ignorant idiots IN the House who let them, or make excuses (Like the HillaryBeast "VRWC") saying it is a witch hunt. Their complete lack of ethics, honor and honesty is appalling, and it is at every level. The entire system has now been set up to be rigged by whatever group controls it, Oregon is a perfect example, they will never see a non Dumbocrap in any position, even the damn Governor who is a criminal, gets re-elected, and before they can send him packing, he resigns and we have a 4 year stand in who was never elected, who will be re-elected 2 more terms.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 2 months ago
    The real reason for objection to voter ID has nothing to do with the elderly, or the poor. The fact is that a whole host of takers/sheeple have warrants outstanding, and are nervous about showing ID anywhere there might be law enforcement presence. When you're trying to enlist as many of those who long for more free stuff to vote socialist, certainly you're going to try to discourage "outing" them at the polling place. Ironically, most of those people are probably legal voters, so fraud isn't the driving force.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Doc, that may be a small part of it, but the much greater picture is just to manipulate the overall "vote". They have taken the Chicago concept and pout it on huge steroids, and have been successful. Specific parties have staked their corrupt claims, but the Dumbocraps have done a much better job at it. That is why I believe that Bernie will be the next president. I just hope the fact he can't get any of his crazy crap through the legislative side may hold him back. Until the sheeple vote those loons back in and we get Felony Pelosi selling us all down the river again.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 2 months ago
        I'm not so sure Sanders will beat the DNC machine, as they're locked onto an obsessive obligation to Hitlery's coronation. Unless an indictment comes through before the convention (which I would bet isn't going to happen), this nomination is in the bag for the bag.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
          Funny you say that, I just read an article saying the Dumbocraps have gone all out to change the rules for HillaryBeast, so she can now accept money from all the pandering lobbyists.They also have given her a bunch of "unpledged delegates" so she actually lost by 20%, but got more delegates than Bernie boy. This is just more proof of how corrupt the system really is. And is sure to add fuel to the fire of the socialist side who are already starting to scream about the corruption from within. Maybe some good will come out of it, or the Obamanation and gang will make sure she is indicted before the convention and the throw Wasserman to the wolves.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 2 months ago
            I'm an observer of human behavior, and Clinton knows how to manipulate the base better than Sanders. The Congressional Black Caucus has more influence on black voters than Al Sharpton, so the CBC endorsing her compared to the clumsy pandering Sanders did to one of the biggest con artists in the game tells me he isn't equipped to compete for minority voters.

            In the unforeseen event that Sanders wins the primaries, and gets past a possible Biden bid at the convention, he will be trapped into a radically socialist agenda. Any attempt to reverse course or "adjust" his programs for the general election will open him up to justified charges of hypocrisy. The DNC recognizes that, which is why they're frantic to depth charge his campaign. I do think they've badly misread how seriously damaged Clinton is in the eyes of the public.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
              Well, Doc, I think Bernie is just another horse of a different color. He is as manipulative as the rest, and has no original ideas or solutions. He is just pandering to a different crowd. I believe the DNC machine will manipulate things to be HillaryBeast this year, and that will stand unless the Obamanation decides he wants to outdo her and allows prosecution so he can run Biden.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 2 months ago
    So, they found one poster child for their cause. As stated in the article, there is a process to resolve the issue. End of story.
    I'd rather that than have illegals bussed in to vote, or as happened (happens?) in Chicago, dead folks casting ballots from the grave. No system is perfect, but voter ID gets us closer.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Chucky, I think the more relevant part is that a friggin ancient woman who has lived here all her life can't get set up to vote, but the implication is that a huge number of people who should never vote can. Along with a cast of thousands, maybe more, who don't even exist. My wife already posted a Dumbocrap person in a Midwest state who was photographed at a cemetery walking down rows writing names. Unless she is a necrophiliac looking for a fix, she was just adding to the voter rolls. Things you never see in mainstream media....
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      • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 2 months ago
        Nick, she could just be someone interested in genealogy. Sometimes you can get some good info from headstones.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
          It's a major tool. The one good source that still must be vetted are the geneology research documents of the LDS in Utah. Their one and only flaw is providing a new birth date for those joining LDS which means the same individual is listed twice with conflicting information. Other than that the documentation is superior to even the famouse Doomsday Books in England.
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          • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 2 months ago
            Michael, I am LDS and am familiar with the records available. I don't understand the statement "Their one and only flaw is providing a new birth date for those joining LDS..." Please elucidate.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
              I think Michael is implying there is manipulation of information to break trail on LDS members with our current empire. I have never heard that one, my dad went to their headquarters to do a bunch of family research, and they were very cooperative. I would think such a tactic would have too many complications to be effective.
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              • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 2 months ago
                I've been a practicing Mormon my entire life and I've never heard that one. No, dates are not intentionally changed to obfuscate the truth. However, people do make mistakes while transcribing and indexing.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
                I was implying nothing I was stating a fact and not implying any motive except it may have been a celebration of joining this particular church. Stating something in a straight forward manner seems to bother people who are used to politician speak and not objectivist statement of fact. The three volumes on our family were a twenty year research project involving trips to Europe and back to the midwest and eastern USA. Everything was fact checked. Although some of the mmmmmm darker episodes of the families past was not dealt with at any great length. Those were well known in any case.

                The research in the LDS collection was, as stated, invaluable. So thinking it or not it happened.....and was not an uncommon find to be fact checked as to how many people were really one person....The easy way was find the LDS records on those joining their church.
                'Too many complications' implies an inability to do serious research. So I object to imply and manipulation be objected to. They are after all...a church.
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                  Maybe there is more than one set of records? One for them, one for the public?
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
                    I don't know my sister did that portion of the research what ...ten years ago ...things change ...so it's just a comment not a negative comment for others who may have run into the same complexity...the records are massive and making some correction would take a bit of time.
                    However I have asked her if she notes any changes as she still does that work for others...
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