S.S. United States, Historic Ocean Liner of Trans-Atlantic Heyday, May Sail Again

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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I have followed this ship for a long time, in that it was the last passenger ship that was designed and built here, of that type. There are a lot of you tube vids of the ship as she sits. The latest was a tour through parts of it, and if they could make this work, it would be something to see it sailing again, and a good example of how you can take something someone thinks worthless and make it of value. I am betting they will gut the engine room and go to Diesel power.
SOURCE URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/04/business/ss-united-states-historic-ocean-liner-of-trans-atlantic-heyday-may-sail-again.html?_r=0


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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 2 months ago
    Probably better to make a new one. The hull inspection is going to be a mess, and fraught with risk.

    In response to engine room note - No doubt the steam boilers, which are dangerous and maintenance intensive, will be replaced by diesel electric (diesel, generator, vfd motor). Wartsilla is the world leader in these diesel engines, and ABB is the world leader in the propulsion system. The US used to be the world leader until after WWII, when turbine gear drives started taking over. Most of the cool WWII battleships etc were steam-turbine-electric.

    Cruise ships favor electric propulsion because the hotel loads for the ship (6-15MW) are a significant fraction of the propulsion loads (~2x20MW).
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
      "Cruise ships favor electric propulsion because the hotel loads for the ship (6-15MW) are a significant fraction of the propulsion loads (~2x20MW)."
      So if there are 2,000 people on the ship, that means 10MW / 2 kpeople = 5kW per person? That means every person uses more power than a typical house.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 2 months ago
        Nominal peak load, AC Heating, etc. Remember it is not a house. It is a city block with bars, casinos, restaurants, etc. The number is about right. The original Disney cruise ships painted the hulls the dark blue color of turn of the century ships for aesthetics, and the AC load went over the capacity of the plants, which ran full on, and regularly failed. Not repainted.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
        A lot of it is lighting, look at the new design Cruise ships, more lights than an avg city crammed into an apartment building size. Also Diesel generation is more fuel efficient than steam, so they can actually cram more generating space into the same area turbo alternators are huge.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      According to the videos, the basic ship is still in good shape as it has been in FW for a while, which limits galvanic corrosion. The overall value will be in restoring a classic ship that almost rates as a monument, and people getting to relive the past.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 2 months ago
    Growing up in NYC I had the opportunity to see her many many times tied up at the hudson river dock. once i even saw the uss us , qe 1 and the queen mary side by side. I think it was the only time that they were all in port at the same time.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      I sailed on QE2 from Englan to US in 1971 as a youngling. Huge ship, easy to get lost in.But beautiful throughout...
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
        Me Mum and I came over on the Queen Mary hired to bring back war brides and offspring. Back then up until the early fifties it was the only affordable way to travel We went back and forth three times using Greek Line, Canadian Pacific, Cunard who ever had the best fares. Finally air travel took over and the ships went to the vacation trade.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
          Yep, cost drives everything, as well as time. What used to be the most cost efficient way to do something suddenly flips and becomes the most expensive. Of course they have a crew of 500 or a thousand, with 2000 passengers, when maybe 6 jumbos could do it with a total crew of 60-80.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 2 months ago
    The question is if they can do the refit in a non-US port (Hong Kong, perhaps?) to avoid the interference of the anti-business moocherist self-entitled dotgov and the good little enviro-socialists our country has spawned.

    Nothing would make one of those little haters feel more self-aggrandized than being the little fish that ruined a huge plan that would start to bring back American Jobs and Industry. They could then claim bragging rights among the other scumballs... as in "Look what I destroyed, aren't I the coolest Super-envirowacko ever???"

    They would look at this, not as a source of national pride (which they detest), but another symbol of how evil America is, and how we should destroy ourselves. Gak!
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Well, they seem to be trying to think along the lines of a US refit, if they can dodge all the leeches..
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
        Spendy really spendy but a good way for some of the nine digit people to get some more deductions.
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        • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 2 months ago
          What's wrong with being in the 3 comma crowd? You work hard for it, and you produce, and you earn it, you deserve it... or is money somehow evil, that making money even more evil? Sorry but WTF??

          Someone wake me up - this HAS to be an alternate reality, or a bad dream, because if Objectivists hate capital, hate profit and hate hard work and ingenuity and inventiveness... if thats the case, what's left - going back to the pinko moocher looter commies??? Shoot me now...
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
            I think Michael directs his dislike to the 9 digit people who come by it via the moocher/looter line, there are a lot of candidates these days, HillaryBeast comes to mind, and she hasn't earned anything but disrespect...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
    First, I admit to be a neophyte regarding this topic.
    Why would the foreign owners be dull enough to do refitting in a location that required EPA approvals? To retain a US flag? That would appear to negate any cost/benefit advantage of such a flag, and just asking for imperial entanglements.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 2 months ago
      IMO the owner is Chinese-based - leave the US flag status, but do the refit in China... then re-sail it.

      IF we get someone like, well, Trump in office, I suspect the project will get the workarounds to work here. It's part of the whole "Make America Great Agin" thing, and what a capstone the SS US would be...

      Our family has some personal history with the SS US... My other half and my in-laws sailed back from England (where dad was stationed) on it's inaugural voyage... So seeing her returned to service would mean a LOT to us personally, as well as having a symbol of American prosperity on the high seas again...
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
        There is a lot of value just in the name and history, so if they can do an updated design, with the balcony cabins and such, it may be lucrative, as it would become a status symbol to sail on her..
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      • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
        Ah, a symbol of American prosperity done with socialist Chinese money and HRM Trump gets a ".royalty" for every nautical mile.
        A very appropriate allusion to the facade that Trump has always been and that America has become.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      Why would they be dumb enough to do it anywhere in the USA we're talking millions in excess costs without the EPA. Best place in the world to day would be Dailen, China.
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  • Posted by ISank 8 years, 2 months ago
    Crystal was sold to Genting over the past year and so far it seems like a great marriage. A new ship, a 747, a yacht, and a few river boats later and Edie has the dream job. Over at cruise critic this has been the hot topic of the day on Crystals threads.

    I have sailed a couple times with Crystal and am a fan, but anything over 700 guests is going to be received critically.

    So yea, this is interesting, what a ship, and Genting has put so much into this company, I could see her sailing again.

    Aloha,
    iSank
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      I have been following the SS United States for years, and found the YT videos to be pretty good. The ship is in fair condition, the driving issue will be if they can do the restoration/modification without too much government interference, especially the EPA.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 8 years, 2 months ago
    I've been following this off and on too, pessimistically, so this is excellent news, assuming they can actually get it done.

    My only personal story on the S.S. United States is that I built a Revell model of it back in the mid-'70s when I was something like 12 or 13 (with the Wishbone Ash "Live Dates" album on continuous loop for the duration, so, weirdly, listening to that album instantly transports me back to... building the S.S. United States. 8^] 'Funny how music acts as a kind of "time-stamp" on the things that were going on in your life when you first heard it.)

    What I love most about this particular ship is that it captures that excellent '50s aesthetic of dawning space-age modernity, mixed with classic cruise liner grace - something these boxy, bloated "bigger-for-bigger's-sake" contemporary things from the Carnivals and Royal Caribbeans utterly lack.

    I just... hope they get it done, 'cause if I were ever to take another cruise, there's no ship I'd rather sail, unless they yanked the original Queen Mary out of LB harbor and got it going again. (R.M.S. Queen Mary: The second Revell ocean liner model I built.)

    So here's a secondary note to parents on this thread: If you can get your kids interested in plastic models, particularly of historical vehicles, do it. There's a whole lot of thinking and absorbing of history that happens in a kid's head whilst spending hours building a scale model of something. I'm pretty sure I would have little interest in - or knowledge of - this ship if I hadn't done the model.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 2 months ago
    To retrofit the USS United States in the US would be cost prhibitive. Disposal of any dangerous materials such as insulation, stateroom materials and engine space could be a major problem in this country. She could be towed by ocean going tugs to a foreign shipyard is doable. It looks like she'll need a new bow section with a nosed one along with thrusters, The hull will need to have to be scanned for metal deterioration. They have to cut a sizeable hole in the superstructure to lower in new propulsion plant. The main shaft will have to be removed and the stern refabricated for more than one drive unit, The cost of all the steel would be cheaper in a overseas shipyard.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Probably, it all depends on what the main owners are trying to accomplish. A lot of PR could be done in a US yard, where the foreign option is always disdained.
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