What is the difference between a representative democracy and a republic?
I see posts often that state that we (USA) were not created to be a democracy (I think they mean Representative Democracy when this is said.)
I do not think people often have thought through what the difference really is, and how did our country change from a republic to a representative democracy, or have we made that change?
What are your thoughts about which we are, and what would be needed to be one or the other? Should we be one or the other or should we be a hybrid of the two?
Definitions:
May help in the discussion
Democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
Republic: a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
I do not think people often have thought through what the difference really is, and how did our country change from a republic to a representative democracy, or have we made that change?
What are your thoughts about which we are, and what would be needed to be one or the other? Should we be one or the other or should we be a hybrid of the two?
Definitions:
May help in the discussion
Democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
Republic: a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
- - - Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 6th edition, 1856
This definition admits that the USCON guarantees a form already established... but coyly fails to define what the nature of the republican form is.
This deliberate obfuscation has been going on for quite a long time.
"They" hope "we" never do find out about that form already established.
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people... directly...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
America is unique among all nations on Earth, for only she has a republican form of government.
Thanks to the efforts of the world's greatest propaganda ministry, her people have been programmed to never know it.
It must be something astounding for them to take the time and effort to eradicate its memory.
It is.
• It is the reason why Americans do not bow nor kneel to other monarchs.
• It is the reason why Americans can marry foreign nobility or monarchs without violating their local laws banning marriage to "commoners."
• It is the reason why Americans could absolutely own land and even inflict capital punishment upon trespassers.
• It is the reason why the vulgar taunt : "Kiss my royal American @ss" is technically and legally accurate.
• It is the reason why no American can accept a title of nobility from a foreign monarch without losing his birthright.
• It is the reason why Americans were once regarded with the highest esteem wherever they journeyed.
• Even the lands she “conquered” raised their subject people from 'subjugation to a sovereign' to 'sovereign people.'
{If you don’t think individual sovereignty is something astounding, then bow down and kiss the feet of those who claim dominion over you and yours. }
Of course, this flies in the face of all we have been indoctrinated to believe. . . and frankly, I wouldn't have believed it without reading it in a county courthouse law library.
When you dismiss this notion out of hand, just remember, you've given a mighty victory to your oppressors and enemies, who spent great fortunes and time to eradicate this from the public memory.
I've seen direct evidence of DELIBERATE obfuscation to HIDE the facts and the truth from the American people.
I might augment these sentiments with the observation that America became a "benevolent" totalitarian police state in 1933. That's when Americans embraced the notion that it was a "Good thing" for government to TAKE from one to GIVE to another.
How else do you enforce such an abomination?
Wheedle, "Pretty please, with sugar on top?"
Regardless of what agency or branch you blame, it's still the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America... authorized by CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.
(FICA / Social Security was, and is 100% voluntary. No law compels participation. No law punishes non-participants.)
GAME PLAN
If you've been paying attention, you may have noted the "strange" policies that appear to instigate conflict. Failure to deter illegal immigrants - bringing in Muslims who are at war with everyone - racking up great debt - debasing the money - and fomenting discord between people, old, young, rich, poor, light, dark, educated, ignorant, and geographically.
Once "they" get you to fight a "civil war" then they can dispense with the niceties of consent, void the CONstitution, eradicate the Republican form of government, and repeal the Declaration of Independence. It is then a simple matter to institute a “sovereign” government to rule the “subject” people.
American governments were not instituted for such a purpose. American governments were instituted by compact to secure the rights of the sovereign people. We were born to be Kings and Queens, monarchs of our lives and destinies. Americans were once the social equals of every other monarch on Earth - which explains why Americans didn’t bow or kneel to any other monarch. Any other “titled” nobleman was a step lower than the lowest American sovereign. Because of this birthright, our enemies have perverted generations, and polluted our language so that we may not recognize our tormentors. But I hope that someday, enough Americans awaken to their lost heritage. For when that day arrives, the heavens will rock with their exultation.
"We.Are.Sovereign.Americans."
And if we then prosper, we become an incentive to every other subject peoples to topple THEIR oppressors, and that is why America is scheduled for demolition.
Delegated elected by independent and independently voting citizens exercising their rights and responsibilities does not require a political party only an honest portrayal of the choices and two other items. None Of The Above and Recall. Disarming the citizens as do the D word people does not fit the question posed. It fits the reason the framers and founders gave it no space.
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people... directly...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
America is unique among all nations on Earth, for only she has a republican form of government.
Thanks to the efforts of the world's greatest propaganda ministry, her people have been programmed to never know it.
It must be something astounding for them to take the time and effort to eradicate its memory.
It is.
• It is the reason why Americans do not bow nor kneel to other monarchs.
• It is the reason why Americans can marry foreign nobility or monarchs without violating their local laws banning marriage to "commoners."
• It is the reason why Americans could absolutely own land and even inflict capital punishment upon trespassers.
• It is the reason why the vulgar taunt : "Kiss my royal American @ss" is technically and legally accurate.
• It is the reason why no American can accept a title of nobility from a foreign monarch without losing his birthright.
• It is the reason why Americans were once regarded with the highest esteem wherever they journeyed.
• Even the lands she “conquered” raised their subject people from 'subjugation to a sovereign' to 'sovereign people.'
{If you don’t think individual sovereignty is something astounding, then bow down and kiss the feet of those who claim dominion over you and yours. }
Of course, this flies in the face of all we have been indoctrinated to believe. . . and frankly, I wouldn't have believed it without reading it in a county courthouse law library.
When you dismiss this notion out of hand, just remember, you've given a mighty victory to your oppressors and enemies, who spent great fortunes and time to eradicate this from the public memory.
I've seen direct evidence of DELIBERATE obfuscation to HIDE the facts and the truth from the American people.
I might augment these sentiments with the observation that America became a "benevolent" totalitarian police state in 1933. That's when Americans embraced the notion that it was a "Good thing" for government to TAKE from one to GIVE to another.
How else do you enforce such an abomination?
Wheedle, "Pretty please, with sugar on top?"
Regardless of what agency or branch you blame, it's still the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America... authorized by CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.
(FICA / Social Security was, and is 100% voluntary. No law compels participation. No law punishes non-participants.)
GAME PLAN
If you've been paying attention, you may have noted the "strange" policies that appear to instigate conflict. Failure to deter illegal immigrants - bringing in Muslims who are at war with everyone - racking up great debt - debasing the money - and fomenting discord between people, old, young, rich, poor, light, dark, educated, ignorant, and geographically.
Once "they" get you to fight a "civil war" then they can dispense with the niceties of consent, void the CONstitution, eradicate the Republican form of government, and repeal the Declaration of Independence. It is then a simple matter to institute a “sovereign” government to rule the “subject” people.
American governments were not instituted for such a purpose. American governments were instituted by compact to secure the rights of the sovereign people. We were born to be Kings and Queens, monarchs of our lives and destinies. Americans were once the social equals of every other monarch on Earth - which explains why Americans didn’t bow or kneel to any other monarch. Any other “titled” nobleman was a step lower than the lowest American sovereign. Because of this birthright, our enemies have perverted generations, and polluted our language so that we may not recognize our tormentors. But I hope that someday, enough Americans awaken to their lost heritage. For when that day arrives, the heavens will rock with their exultation.
"We.Are.Sovereign.Americans."
And if we then prosper, we become an incentive to every other subject peoples to topple THEIR oppressors, and that is why America is scheduled for demolition.
They might want to check out the towns in New England that still have the "town meeting" form of government. That's democracy, at least at the local level. And at the local level it can sometimes work.
Great post, the kind of thing I was looking for with the questions asked, also a very cool link. I looked over it briefly but will have to do far more.
AR did a pretty good pledge.
My name and postings should tell you something about what I support.
as a knowledgable person what do you stand for or pledge to support...and how would you honor that....
When did we lose the status of Republic? If nothing else December 31st 2015 will do but probably with the first Patriot Act or perhaps in the 1990s when the country openly turned it's back on the Constitution. Lots of choices for that one.
Ironically, there is only ONE NATION on Earth with a republican form, and most of its people don't know it.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
http://archive.org/stream/BlacksLaw6t...
In fact, when I wrote to Congress asking about which laws were enacted regarding Art. 4, Sec. 4, the Congressional Research Service replied that no laws were ever enacted with respect to that clause.
Fascinating!
(As Mr Spock would say.)
The source of the republican form is the Declaration. The USCON only continues to GUARANTEE it to the STATES.
It existed BEFORE the USCON.
And as long as the next constitution preserves the RFOG, I have no objection.
BTW - good luck in finding an accurate definition for the RFOG. Wikipedia hard linked it to "republic" which is dead wrong.
This one nails it:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Republic...
FYI:
"... The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."
Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON
It's a Republic by design but in danger of turning into an empire because it's so broadly interpreting the Consituion, campaigns are funded by rent-seeking interest groups, and the executive branch takes more and more power.
KISS applied the short definition remains Democracy equals direct control by citizens. Republic form equals indirect control through delegates selected by citizens - as it pertains to the situation we are in. the follow on is 'under control of and only with the limited powers granted, No more complicated than that. Strip away the righteous and the debaters those who roll up their sleeves and accomplish something are still a distinct minority. You notice each of the latter identified the problem and offered a potential solution. I'll leave you to it I have other fish to fry for the moment and am on a self imposed hiatus.
Three focal points are what if anything can be done from the inside with Cruz and Rubio minus Trump
I see no recruiting potential on the outside they are not sufficiently coalesced nor pledged to anything in particular as a focal point being more interested in talking than walking.
Failing that what if anything can be done asking the military to up hold their oath of office.
Failing that.....learn German, learn Chinese or learn Marksmanship to paraphrase the old Russian saying. That 'k' might have been an 'x'
Staff feel free to bounce me for whatever period ...I have a book on epistemology to read.
However one of your best effort yet. Kudos!
Having not proven your theory ....rejected with a note that further study is required.
I took five minutes by running a word search program. Nothing brilliant nor dazzling just critical research. I'll let someone else wade through all that nice to know but not germane to the question stuff. It will doubtless come in handy some day once vetted for accuracy.
Thank you for the leads to other resources.
RFOG - - -
"What's YOURS is YOURS!"
"Do not trespass upon the person, liberty, or property of another."
"Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure endowed (sacred) rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic)."
But if you consent, all bets are off.
Welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America.
Freudian slip?
Have to quit now, my wife is wondering why I'm laughing to myself...
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