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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Those sorts of promises are commonly reneged to one extent or the other. Experience? 24 years mostly infantry the rest a tad bit harder. I don't trust the government nor even less their employers.
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  • Posted by EAJewett 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hear, hear, for the disabled veteran! I didn't serve and my recent family and friends thankfully came home safely. The bargain of enlistment should guarantee that catastrophic care. It is certainly "sold" that way. Those backing away from it usually didn't spend any time in the military.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 4 months ago
    It allows for it, yes. It just doesn't mandate it.
    Except in certain defined situations. (I'm not Ayn
    Rand, and don't want to presume to speak for her,
    but this is how I understand it). If parents bring a
    child into the world, and the innocent child is mentally retarded or disabled so that he never
    can grow up to full mature competence, they
    have the obligation to care for him as long as
    they live, and to make provision for his care af-
    ter their deaths, should he survive them. Also
    if there is some sort of contract or prior obliga-
    tion, such as a disabled veteran's getting care
    as compensation for his service.
    ---It is certainly allowable in the case of a loved
    one, or friend, provided no one else's rights are
    violated thereby (minor children must come be-
    fore a friend, naturally). After all, personal
    value counts for something.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 4 months ago
    I typed a response but didn't see it come on the
    screen after I sent it. I signed out of the yahoo
    network and signed back in , and came back to
    the Gulch to start over but I'm not getting referred
    to the sign-in place.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 4 months ago
    What? It allows you to care for anyone you care to in any way you wish. That is the point. Actual caring versus introducing coercion of others and daring to call that "caring". Everyone can practice as much charity and other types of caring that they wish to.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You mention that "Downies" can hold a job and I fully agree. However, the Liberal Left would rather hold them down as the "Victims".

    Don't even get me started on Special Olympics.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
    I have one in the family. Cerebral Palsy with cleft palate. She will never speak like the rest of us. As far learning that's a disconnect that's also pemanent to perhaps age four age five if we are lucky = minus speech. But she is the delight of my life and 99% of the time except when noticeable frustration arrives very happy. She likes stuffed Teddy Bears and she responds to music moving to the beat and tempo. She knows how to ask for food or water and when other natural occurances occur. She is not my natural child but she is MY daughter. When you join a pre-existing family it's all or nothing. which is why I quit cruising the sail boat....but did not quit sailing.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 4 months ago
    Great question.

    I have a disabled son. I don't see anything in Objectivism that would indicate we shouldn't care for those with disabilities.

    Just this morning, driving in to work, I was struck by something. As my pickup rolled up to some railroad tracks I saw a homeless person with a blanket over their head, wondering around by the tracks. It's very cold out this morning. I looked back at them and thought...What in the hell is wrong with my country? Why do we allow this? All this damn rhetoric about helping the needy...all this damned B.S. altruism is shoved down our throats, starting in early elementary school. Yet, honestly, we crap on those who really have needs. My own son doesn't go to our school district. They, flat-out, refused to take him (a public school that we all pay for). When we started to fight them, they had CPS take three of the children of a woman I was working with to fight the district. They were willing to destroy a family, rather than just obey the altruistic laws that they had set up to HELP DISABLED CHILDREN! That was a major turning point in my life - a major wakeup call.

    As an Objectivist, I have really come to realize just how precious the mind of man is, and how we should guard it from birth. We don't, as a society. In fact, we're doing the opposite. Look at what's happening to the neurological health of our children. There is no way America can afford to care for the coming wave of people with mental disabilities. The railroad tracks are going to get crowded...
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  • Posted by ScottJohnston1978 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think there are exceptions to every rule and that too much of one thing (objectivism) is not good accept love❤️ That's the only thing you can't have enough of
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They seem to be doing just fine on their own with as neo-capitalists. Certainly forging steadily ahead of those into on going backwards. Of course the perspective is first hand not from the distant halls of ivy. Despite those who would turn them around to prove a failed point is once again a failure. Would we had the vision and the stamina to do the same.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
    I am happy to see the answers to my question. I was curious how people took objectivist ideas in regards to those less capable. The whole concept is the right to choose your own path not a path chosen for you by others.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I guess that I should have said that I'm GOING to have tea... I live on the east coast. I looked up the two books that you recommended. They sound like good reads, so I'll put them on my ever expanding list to download to my KIndle. Thanks for the tip.
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  • Posted by EAJewett 8 years, 4 months ago
    Many here have laid out the "choice" vs. "duty" in charitable care. I've just started David Kelley's book Unrugged Individualism, which presents it as benevolence vs. altruism. Beyond those who are not authors of their own problems, I believe there are some who may just need a reminder, as much as the food I delivered. A look and a handshake with no pity or condescension might make the difference.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 4 months ago
    My father was once Mobil's first environmental engineer. He took care of me quite well when I was a kid. Now he has a very bad case of Alzheimer's disease, and I am taking care of him. I am not living my life for his sake, nor did he live for mine, but as family does, we take care of each other because it is in our own long-term self interest.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you must be on the west coast. I am reading "an edible history of humanity by Tom Standage. I read his "a history of the world in 6 glasses" For history buffs they are quite informative.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks, I will. You, too. I'm having tea while watching Downton Abbey; then reading Brian Kilmead's book on Thomas Jefferson and Barbary pirates at bedtime.
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  • Posted by mspalding 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    An Objectivist who is concerned about this situation might step in to help. They might set up a charity, solicit donations, and manage the group home. But if it isn't important to you, then it isn't your duty. If this isn't important to anyone in an entire society, then in that society, they will die. But of course in that society, no one would be upset about those deaths.
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  • Posted by ameyer1970 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    absolutely. Deducting from your taxes does not discredit your charitable act. It just means that the government gets to steal less money from you.
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