Drinking the Political Cool Aid

Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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I can see by the long threads developing here that we, as a group, are falling into the same thing I see as a trap that the average schmo is falling into. We are sucked in by the show of politics. The debates get us all worked up. The comments, the withdrawal of one candidate from a debate, etc... Like moths to a flame. I hope that we aren't working from the same premise that the average person is - that there is some sort of solution, some sort of answer to our problems to be found in politics, the actions of politicians. It has become very clear to me that there are no solutions there, only problems. What really sealed the deal for me was some work I've done within the political machine. These people are barely human, honestly. They're just like mistletoe on a big oak tree - only there because there's a source for them to tap from. They don't give a shit about you or your family. Every "solution" comes in the form of a government program...

Just last night my son had a homework assignment where he wrote a letter to our rep in Congress, and had people sign the back to show support. I just let him write asking for more money for schools. The early brainwashing is so clear from where I stand. He's smart, though. I think he may get it someday.

I digress... I decided to force myself to watch the last two debates just, basically, as reconnaissance. I was scared to be reminded how similar the two parties are. Anyway...it's Friday, I'm tired and rambling. I'll shut up now. But, does anybody else see it?...this attraction to the political machine like it's a shiny, solution-producing entitiy?...


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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 4 months ago
    This is something I find myself wondering, and then deciding, as Neil Smith says, "If voting could make a difference, it would be illegal." Look at the shiny mobiles and toys, and don't ask where they come from or if they're designed to shock you if you do something "wrong".
    Politics is one of the circuses Americans have voted themselves: the games are more rigged, the prizes are worth less, and somebody always gets hurt on the roller coaster. There should be a warning sign, except someone might read it.
    "Play at your own risk; everybody is playing at your risk, too."

    I do not have conversations on this subject in public places that go any farther than that.
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  • Posted by CapeEsperance 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I associate with jlc's comments. the left (aided and abetted by the supposed right) will do everything in its power to permanently impose the transformation that has been accelerating since the our founding. I'll take a look at the web site as you suggest to see if my fears are unfounded. thanks!
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  • Posted by CapeEsperance 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    freedom, i am still evolving in my understanding of history, can you point me to something to read on your '1913 men' comment?
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  • Posted by blackswan 10 years, 4 months ago
    I'm waiting for a politician to tell the truth and say that there are no political solutions. The only problem is that we won't vote for him/her; there is no payout. We want the politician to say that there's a free lunch, that rocks aren't hard and water isn't wet. The politician who tells the truth will not be long in politics.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am, and I have a whole list of amendments I would introduce at the convention.

    Yes, it may produce some bad ideas too. But there is at least hope that 13 states will refuse to ratify the bad ones, thus stopping them.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 4 months ago
    The "problems" that politicians purport to address are all strawmen made up for the purpose. But their are real problems that politicians can fix -- and most if not all of them are problems with the politicians' own behavior, which they can solve merely by starting to respect other people's rights. Few of them will, though.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you keep doing the same thing then evil triumphs as it has for the past 30 years. Temporary comfort, convenience, and the illusion of safety is not freedom.
    You know that, but are you willing to temporarily give up those things for liberty? Everyone has a different answer for that question. In 1776 men of integrity and ethics chose freedom for themselves and their descendants . In 1913 men with no ethics chose wealth and power for themselves and serfdom for everyone else.
    We must choose for ourselves and our descendants.
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  • Posted by LWinn 10 years, 4 months ago
    I ignore politics except as an occasional and unhealthy amusement. The reason is simple. It’s irrelevant. The most fundamental freedom is the freedom to leave. If I understand him correctly, CircuitGuy said the same thing in his comment, “You don’t see it (the absence of choice in politics) as much in business because you can always start another business.” Competition is the economic analog of frontier formation. We need to reacquire the most fundamental freedom. Focus on frontier formation. Nothing else matters. At SpaceFarers Corporation, we take great comfort in knowing what is wrong, in knowing what to do about it, and in doing it. Please badmouth my premise to help me strengthen it. Here it is: If you understand Rand, you will understand that objectivists should do what the Founders did. Found something.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It isn't a Constitutional Convention, it's a Convention of States (that created the federal government) to DISCUSS making structural changes to reign in federal abuse of powers over the states. I suggest you learn about the process and read the various FAQs and answers to objections on the website.
    The founders for good reason created the provision for such a convention.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I fear that a new Constitutional Convention right now will strip the Bill of Rights and remove all of the existing protection for individual freedom. If we can bend the US people closer to Objectivism first, then will be the time for a new CC.

    The way to do this is the underlying cause for the existence of this website: a movie. A trilogy of movies about Objectivism. We have to win the hearts of people, then their brains, then their little fingers writing a new and better Constitution.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Huh. Interesting observation. I will have to think about this, but it does ring true, doesn't it?

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would like you to be correct, unfortunately, what I believe would happen is that such a 3rd party would split the people who care about liberty away from the people who are inertia-voting the party line and insure a victory for explicitly socialist individuals.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    10 points. But I can't get the damn hand to accept the additional nine...still trying.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 years, 4 months ago
    I see a real divide between people wanting a presidential representative that has a strong principled character routed in the constitution and the rule of law and the usual please just fix it crowd that defines a democracy...(Mob or minority rule)

    If everyone we hired to do only what the constitution allows government to do then we would have no issues.
    It was meant that anything beyond that would be discussed locally...which means your town or city...not necessarily the state.
    We are so far from that, I fear it may be impossible to get back to that founding idea.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 10 years, 4 months ago
    Our government is so inbred, so corrupt, that it will never fix itself. So is anyone here supportive of the Convention of States project? http://www.conventionofstates.com/
    I seldom see/hear discussion of it, and much that is said is terribly uninformed and emotional.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 4 months ago
    "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." -- Willie S.
    You have got to admit that it's pretty good theater. A little draggy at times (double entendre) but quite absorbing. I think that the discussions in the Gulch are more of the same nature as fans discussing baseball. They can get quite passionate about it, but in the long run they know (I hope) that it's pretty much inconsequential.
    Here's the Big However. It is possible that we get a politician that actually rises to the challenge and sets the wheels in motion to make truly relevant changes. I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but hope springs eternal.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 4 months ago
    Certainly but then I look at the two faced single party left and think of Jonestown. The first law of Objectivism is not much for Marxist Lemmingism.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago
    "does anybody else see it?"
    I see everything you're saying and completely agree. (Except don't give up on your son's homework assignment!! Find a way to make it teachable. Even if he doesn't get it, my parents told me things I didn't get until 20 years later; maybe the same with him.)

    "The debates get us all worked up."
    I have seen enough of attention-seeking, credit-taking, and blame throwing (let's call it "politicking") in other areas of life that I no longer fall for politicians' antics. I did as late as ten years ago.

    Because there is only position of POTUS and its elected, it leads to this politicking behavior. You don't see it as much in business because you can always start another business. You can serve niche customers down "the long tail" of popularity. So you can be awesome to your niche market and weird, offensive, or meh to everyone else. Online videos are like this. You can always make another one. When there were only three channels, they had to produce content that was at least tolerable to the majority. There's only one "channel" of president, so we have to find someone who's at least kind-of sort-of okay to the majority. What that looks like isn't pretty.

    This does not explain, though, why their solutions usually involve increasing gov't rather decreasing it. I still have hope people will realizing voting themselves money from the treasury will destroy us.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago
    "this attraction to the political machine like it's a shiny, solution-producing entitiy"
    It's closer to a morbid attraction to a ghastly accident.
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