Galt's Gulch

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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago
    The Progressive response will be mandating limits on the work performed by the minimum wage employees, like limiting a waiter to carrying only one dish at a time, thus forcing restaurants to hire three waiters instead of one. Of course, the restaurants will start closing and that's when the executive order will be made requiring them to stay in "business." It's just a matter of time.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
    I can tell you that in my small business of 8 employees, I am scrambling to automate and change the way we do things so I can deal with these wage hikes. I will have to eliminate 2-3 positions and have more subassemblies bought from china to survive, PERIOD. I dont have to read what happens in the big cities- I just know what I will have to do.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 3 months ago
    Actually, this is entirely in keeping with the ideas of our country's founders: cities and states should be allowed to experiment without Federal interference; the results are a lesson to others, in that they adopt what works, and avoid what doesn't.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
      If only the others would learn instead of following them like lemmings. We wouldn't have Obamacare if people had actually looked at what government healthcare in Massachusetts had actually morphed into and what a dismal failure it is.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 3 months ago
    Progressives never admit to being wrong. As with gun control they will claim they didn't go far enough and cities around them need to be forced to accept it as well. It will be interesting to see the twists and spins they will use to explain this.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 3 months ago
      I agree. It should be entertaining...
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
        I don't mind being entertained, but I fear our system is going the way of Rome if all it is for is entertainment. I don't have a problem with experimenting (to some degree) as long as we learn from our mistakes. That seems to be the problem we can not overcome.
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        • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 3 months ago
          I can appreciate your position. I was once in the same camp. But, I'm sure we are going the way of Rome and sure that I can't stop it.

          Just earlier today, I sent a follow-up email with a lady I got to know over this past year regarding our talk of forming a group of like-minded families and acquiring our own type of Galt's Gulch. Time to start building connections and collaborating, probably past time.

          I hope the country doesn't go the way of Rome...but I can't butter my bread with hope. My advice is to develop a sick sense of humor so you can be entertained...I haven't quite gotten there yet, myself. I still get mad if I happen to catch the evening news. Haha...
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 8 years, 3 months ago
    Can we all say, "I told you so!"
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 3 months ago
      Gosh, why am I not surprised. Wish we could say that we told you so, but the Liberals will just blame another of their failed policies on everyone but themselves, and the liberal press will again cover for them. It wouldn't surprise me if they were to make the excuse that the minimum wage hike wasn't large enough and/or hasn't been in effect long enough. Oh, and throw in that it's George Bush's fault, too.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 3 months ago
    D.C. required higher minimum wage for Walmart..Walmart gave them the finger...
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
      And good for Walmart. They're in the most price-sensitive markets - that's what politicians just refuse to comprehend. The businesses which operate on high margins don't really care about the minimum wage because all their people make more than that anyway. It is the tiny margin companies - those like grocery stores and restaurants that live or die on 1-2% margins where their biggest costs are merchandise transport expenses (fuel costs) and labor costs.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      DC deserves M2F. The y give it to us in America Real often enough M squared F or Major Middle FInger. If you dont play their game you can't lose If you play their game you can't win.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 3 months ago
    the headline says it all. as we know the economy is the pits at the moment and not looking like it will be getting better anytime soon. so having a higher minimum wage means less jobs being offered, anyone surprised? probably not here.
    it really makes no difference how government failure keep demonstrating that their policies are failures those who want these changes will simply not ever give up trying to enforce their stupidy on all of us.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 3 months ago
    All lies! This is just a push from Conservatives to forward their agenda!

    Right...just keep saying that as the lights go out, one after the other...

    Who is John Galt?
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 3 months ago
    I have no problem with a $15 an hour minimum wage, IF the employee can give me $15 an hour work (which when you add taxes, obamacare, etc. is more like $24 an hour) that will net me no less that $120 an hour for their labor. Minimum. If you think I'm asking too much for your $15 an hour, or you can't make me the required $1000+ for your SOLID 8 hours of work a day, then I can't afford you, and have no work for you, and you best move on.

    Do the people protesting in the picture look like they'll give me an honest $1000+ (minimum) worth of work? Per day, EVERY day? My magic 8 ball says...

    "My sources say absolutely hell no"
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    • Posted by Genez 8 years, 2 months ago
      Exactly, it's about productivity. It's always about, what are you (or what you can produce), worth. If you want to make more, get trained, get educated, etc. so you are worth more. Those who embrace this don't have to worry about "minimum wage" because they are nowhere near it. If you break out my salary hourly (ave. 48 hrs a week), it's a little over $21 an hour. It's taken me a 4 yr degree and 25 years experience. But now I run basically $25M in business from a desk I sit at all day. I have 3 kids making 15-20 an hour and the 2 making closer to 10 are currently working on their 4 yr degrees. It just takes effort... But many people today don't believe in effort, only their "right" to earn more...
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  • Posted by MagicDog 8 years, 3 months ago
    Raising the minimum wage is a formula for causing unemployment among the least-skilled members of society. The higher wages are, the higher costs of production are. The higher costs of production are, the higher prices are. The higher prices are, the smaller are the quantities of goods and services demanded and the number of workers employed in producing them. These are all propositions of elementary economics that you and the President should well know. Ludwig Von Mises
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 2 months ago
      And let's not forget the handicapped. These laws really screw them, and I'm surprised they and their supporters haven't formed a counter-movement yet. This would be a good market segment in which to agitate for one.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 2 months ago
    I believe these laws were passed for the express purpose of destroying the fast food industry and putting people on Welfare. And the proponents won't mind if it causes a bunch of Wal-Marts to close, too.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 2 months ago
    Distorting entry level wage rates never works. It always evens out. Everything else goes up to accommodate it and the entry level wage earner is always at the bottom. This level of wage was never meant to gain everything higher earners have. It just does not work like that. It does not take a lot of brains to figure this out. It should be common sense.
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    • Posted by Genez 8 years, 2 months ago
      Entry level wages were never meant to be life long, "living" wages. For a long time it was understood that you STARTED there.. Then you put in time, effort, learning, etc, until you were capable of earning more.
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    • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 2 months ago
      You are so correct. There is only 1 winner in the minimum wage and that is the government.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
        One locally McDonalds franchise chain routinely hired high school and Senior Citizens. the Senior invariably shot to the to the top of the heap.They knew how to work and had a work ethic, experience and a sense of efficiency. The younger employees did not. The string solved the problem by issuing badges Training Manager Trainee. Manager Training Specialist, Manager Trainee. It was an elegant solution and taught responsibility and worth - of self. The lessons carried the kids forward into adulthood. To other jobs where they were soon at the top of the heap.
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        • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 2 months ago
          Yup, McDonald's is one one the best jobs a high school kid can get. It teaches them many things and if they are there for more than 6 months it is an indicator to other employers that they may have some useful skills.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 2 months ago
      If there were a single course I would make every high schooler take it would be Economics 101 (microeconomics) followed by Economics 102 (macroeconomics). Maybe then people would begin to actually look at the implications of policy decisions. Until then...
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  • Posted by cjferraris 8 years, 3 months ago
    I've always said that a giraffe is a mouse made by committee (or government). The more people who don't know anything about anything will find ways to totally screw up the very thing they are trying to fix.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 3 months ago
    So laughable that for a job returning $1/hr overseas, in the US it is mandated >$10/hr, and the only jobs left are non-outsourcable service jobs. Then they try to use the artificial barrier to hike up wages for menial labor, because the problem is that big business and technology (where the value is) are ripping off the lazy, unmotivated American people, and income inequality is the problem.

    The whole thing is so broken.

    Income inequality is the problem. The inequality between a waiter or garbage man between the US and Indonesia.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      Yet the individual in India,or China, or Indonesia int he context of their economy is often a top wage earner. While the individual in our overinflated economy more often than not is incompetent in anyone's system.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago
    No matter how much you squeeze it, or manipulate it, one plus one equals two. Raise wages inordinately high for the type of job means: A) Prices go up, people can afford less, business slacks off, workers are laid off. or B) Prices remain the same but profits diminish and the business in order to maintain its margin, workers are laid off. or C) The business tries to keep going as it had before and goes bankrupt. Workers are laid off. 1+1=2.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
    Without reading any other comment.

    Let's see I can pay high prices here or drive two blocks and pay lower prices. Duuuuuuuhhhhh. Wow that' s a hard decision.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      Everybody got a point on this one.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
        It's what the latinos often call ni modo or no way

        What we used to call the Oregon Work Ethic. Thanks for job I need the next two weeks off to go deer hunting and an advance. - having just been hired. Need over ability and need or availability mean a card with the Employment office address. Quid Pro Quo. they pretend to work I don't pretend to pay I just don't.

        $15 An hour will drive up prices in other ways. Some union contracts are based on minimum wage. Some extras such as workman's comp are based on minimum wage. the government caused the prices to go up. the government failed to add that to COLA the government can pay which means the taxpayer which means they get us anyway..Instead move the business out of the country and M2F the government. See how far they get taxing a nation full of greedy socialists on a year round hunting trip.

        As for the weak, lame, lazy and sick sleep riders. .....You took my health insurance I don't care about yours.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 3 months ago
    This just another example of how ignorant liberals are of fundamental economic principals. In this sense liberals are mystics. To a liberal-progressive economics is a form of magic that can be manipulated by the proper incantation. There is a direct correlation between increases in minimum wage and the decline in the value of the dollar. One needs to examine this to reveal which is cause and which is effect.
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 8 years, 3 months ago
    The business world has know this for a long time. The minimum wage is the maximum the free market will allow for any job, anything above that is overpayment. These were always part-time, summer, or after school jobs, never meant to be permanent employment.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
      But that's is precisely what the government has sold them as so they can maintain their slave class of welfare-dependents. Those who move up into the middle class by working hard just see the taxes they have to pay and are generally less supportive of big government.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 8 years, 3 months ago
    I'm hoping it results in increased demand for robots.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
      I just was accosted by the local property tax people who now want 1% per year for all business equipment I buy (including robots). Government is the enemy now. I want to cut employees, so they charge me for robots.
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      • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 2 months ago
        And I pay property tax at my business not only on the building and land, bit also on the contents! Two separate bills. Then today I wrote a check to the city for my "occupation tax" so that I have the privilege of working. Grrrrrr!
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
          The mayor here in las vegas talked about broadening the tax base a few years ago. They ALREADY tax almost everything as it is !!! Its sickening that all they want is more money
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          • Posted by $ HarmonKaslow 8 years, 2 months ago
            California?
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            • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 2 months ago
              My daughter visited a friend in CA recently, and she commented that everything was brand new and bustling and booming, and I said, really? California?
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              • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
                I have to say that the last time I went to California (and I used to live there), the picture I got was of a wealthy place on the surface but rotten inside. There is a lot of wealth still there, but its definitely rotting.

                When I first went to southern California in the mid 60's, it WAS the place to make ones fortune (which I did). Upbeat and fun to be there. I think later that moved to SF with the advent of the dotcom movement. But its gone from southern california.
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