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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 6 months ago
    Look at the list of those who intend, or will be called on to jump in if Hillary collapses in the polls: Biden (called on), Warren (called on), Gore (intend), Bloomberg (intend), Brown (intend). Any of those will make the Sanders supporters stay home if he isn't the nominee, and if they feel the DNC is forcing Hillary down their throats, they won't support her.

    The truly bizarre case is the story about maverick Libertarians calling for Morgan Freeman to run, with Vin Diesel as his running mate. I guess they figure the Trump support is all about celebrity. If they pull this off, Hillary can kiss the black vote goodbye.

    Gary Johnson running won't make a ripple with either set of Republicans or Democrats, but it will get some who were planning on boycotting the election out to vote, and that's a good thing.
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    • Posted by Mamaemma 3 years, 6 months ago
      Just out of curiosity, why is that a good thing? I don't consider voting to be automatically a good thing. Like being a mother doesn't make you a good person.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 6 months ago
        It's self deceptive to think not voting will make any difference. Voting, and getting involved in the process develops a different mindset. Your candidate might not win this time, but it should motivate you to do more to move things in the right direction.
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        • Posted by Mamaemma 3 years, 6 months ago
          The difference, Dr, is that I know my vote makes no difference, ever. Even if I believed that the count is honest, which I don't, I live in a gerrymandered district. My district was drawn many years ago by the federal government in order to have a huge black majority, which wouldn't matter except most voters in my district are on welfare. Nuff said.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 6 months ago
    Bloomberg would be a disaster, probably worse than a Sanders of Hillary. Talk about someone who would favor the Wall Street crowd....
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 6 months ago
    Look at the list of those who intend, or will be called on to jump in if Hillary collapses in the polls: Biden (called on), Warren (called on), Gore (intend), Bloomberg (intend), Brown (intend). Any of those will make the Sanders supporters stay home if he isn't the nominee, and if they feel the DNC is forcing Hillary down their throats, they won't support her.

    The truly bizarre case is the story about maverick Libertarians calling for Morgan Freeman to run, with Vin Diesel as his running mate. I guess they figure the Trump support is all about celebrity. If they pull this off, Hillary can kiss the black vote goodbye.

    Gary Johnson running won't make a ripple with either set of Republicans or Democrats, but it will get some who were planning on boycotting the election out to vote, and that's a good thing.
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  • Posted by  $  Temlakos 3 years, 6 months ago
    Then he effectively prevents the election of Hillary Rodham Clinton or of Senator Bernard Sanders, I-Vt. At best he will throw the election into the House of Representatives. Think any of you they will elect Hillary President? I doubt it. Especially when the House votes by States, with each State getting one vote. Sorry, California! Sorry, New York!
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 6 months ago
    I heard he said he would run if it was Sanders and Trump. If it came to those two, who I think are both unelectable, I'd hope a libertarian could come in and run as Bloomberg is proposing.

    I don't think it will happen. I think Democrats will nominate Hillary Clinton and Republicans will find someone not radical. The parties will not risk their duopoly.
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 3 years, 6 months ago
      If is is Sanders and Trump I already have the ten second commercial for Johnson. It goes like this: Socialist? [black and white head shot of Sanders] Fascist? [black and white head shot of Trump] or Libertarian? [color head shot of Johnson] The Choice Is Yours. Vote for Freedom, Vote for Gary Johnson.
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    • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
      I think Trump has a good chance of winning the nomination because he is a part of the duopoly. If he does, it really won't matter who wins: Hillary or the Donald, different roads to the same destination.
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      • Posted by term2 3 years, 6 months ago
        But Trump would give us more time before a collapse. Sanders would cause a FAST collapse, HIllary a pretty fast collapse, and Trump would slow the process down to total socialism
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 6 months ago
          I think it's absurd to talk about the collapse of society in a time of such amazing prosperity. The engine of human ingenuity is pushing us forward faster than ever. Gov't interference is a parking brake left partially applied. What a waste to drive with the brake on, but it's far from causing everything to grind to halt.
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          • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 years, 6 months ago
            It is hoped that ingenuity...especially "Ethical" ingenuity will out pace government and it regulatory bull crap.
            True innovative genus needs not enforced barriers against competition...therefore putting government out of business.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 6 months ago
              "especially "Ethical" ingenuity will out pace government and it regulatory bull crap."
              I'm generally an optimist but admit technology could break either way--- toward more gov't control/abuse or more individuals making gov't irrelevant.
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              • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 years, 6 months ago
                That's why I qualified ingenuity with "Ethics"; to honestly do good, no harm and with accountability, as opposed to doing a thing because they can without knowing the consequences or worse- purposely doing harm.
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          • Posted by term2 3 years, 6 months ago
            It's already grinding to a halt. It's living off printed money at the moment. When the rubber band snaps it will crash fast, no matter how much people do Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. We see the exterior shell of the rotted oak tree now
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 6 months ago
              People go out and make amazing things for one another. You're saying they'll stop, perhaps b/c they can't find a good medium of exchange. I say people will always work out media of exchange and will make even more amazing things to meet people's wants and needs.
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              • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
                People will always go out and make amazing things. Yes, and they will also find a medium of exchange. But this also assumes no government involvement which will may make working out any non-government approved medium of exchange illegal.

                Think health care. You can no longer barter with your doctor. Doctors can no longer give professional courtesy or make anyone an insurance accept. Nor can they change their prices. They also can't diagnose and treat you as they see fit but must follow approved medical algorithms and prescribe medication as dictated by government approved insurance company.

                This is not a time for prosperity for anyone with a chronic health condition...unless they are a moocher - prosperity is relative.
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 6 months ago
                  "But this also assumes no government involvement "
                  Gov't gets in the way. That's a huge part of what AS is all about. People still do things for one another for money, even when the gov't doesn't want them to, but gov't is drain.

                  "may make working out any non-government approved medium of exchange illegal."
                  I hope not but would not be shocked. The world of stuff people do for one another under the table would expand.

                  "Nor can they change their prices. "
                  I don't know if we're technically breaking the law, but we work out pricing with our doctors the same way our clients work out pricing with our practice/business. I would be surprised to learn we're breaking the law but not too surprised.
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                  • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
                    I was incorrect in making a broad statement about MD pricing. I did so for brevity.

                    As things stand presently, docs still have some leeway...but that is changing (good old incrementalism.) Docs are going to have to be more and more careful about fee schedules or run an increasing risk of medicare/medicaid fraud (without ever intending to...simply because they worked something out with the patient.) What will happen eventually (and I don't think anyone needs a crystal ball to see this coming) is an increasing risk of medical insurance fraud if there are different fee schedules for different patients. There have already been cases of lawsuits as a result of pricing not being "fair." I don't think it is a huge step to think that eventually the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight will become active in this area.

                    To me, it seems a short step from sanctions for non-compliance to conviction for fraud...at least at the rate OCare is affecting the health care delivery and the behavior of physicians.

                    I'm sure Bloomberg would be delighted with total government control of health care.
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