Impact of Palin's Endorsement?

Posted by krevello 8 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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I've heard a lot of talk about Palin's motivations/the impact of her endorsement of Trump, but nothing about what it's done to conservatism in the country. My personal opinion is that it's seriously undermined the position and ideology of conservatives and really ushered in a lot of doubt. Wondering if anyone else agrees/has a different take.


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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The "polls" seem to me to be driven by agendas, not reality. So I kind of ignore them.

    Perhaps the democrats will win anyway regardless, and our once great country will continue its slide (faster with Sanders than Hillary). Its very depressing actually. I will vote for Trump if he gets nominated and hope the slide will be slower with him than the democrats. My lousy vote wont count for much, and I doubt many of the gulchers will vote for Trump. Its going to be interesting for those who hate trump so much, how they can live with Hillary or Sanders.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Its going to be Trump OR (Hillary/Sanders). No one else is electable and we WILL have a new president come november of this year. Trump is not a perfect candidate, and Gulchers HATE him, but look at the alternatives? The culture here is way too leftist for a change big enough to elect an Objectivist during my lifetime (maybe I have 10 more years at most), so I dont want to ride down the rollercoaster any faster than necessary. Maybe you will be around longer and want to go through the crash and then the rebuilding part.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A variety of meaningless polls have shown Cruz, Rubio, and Trump beating either Hillary or Sanders. Others have shown the other way. We won't know until the actual election.

    The reality is that because of the way the Electoral College is built, the race is the Democratic candidate's to lose because they open with such a huge head start from New York and California. I think that is indicative of one of the major problems in making the electoral college popular-based rather than State-based - especially where most States are all-or-nothing voters.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Obama was historic alright. First black muslin socialist to get the presidency
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I guess you can think anything but polling data doesn't support you. Given the economic meltdown and the 'historic' first black president it is hard to imagine McCain winning.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago
    Agree...I think it will go against him...which is just fine with me.
    Just wonder if something is going on that is not apparent. Never would of guessed Palin would get involved...maybe she's under his spell.

    Gets more bizarre every day.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The original of that ultimately knows sentance came from people like Hitler, Stalin, Mussolin. Anything said that supports the party is the truth. The benefit of the doubt part was the next sentence. The party will tell you what is the truth for each moment of each day.

    You can't get much more left wing socialist facist than that.

    The both sides of aisle part is another left wing fascist lie. they moved the center to the center of the left. The republicans are the right wing of the left and they are ALL left wing socialist fascists. Either as Rinos And Dinos or as enablers who do what they are told.

    Sorry Comrades I don't serve the party. No matter how you form or frame the BS.

    That's how you define evil.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If its not Trump on the Repub side, Either sanders or Hillary will win The other repubs are either religious zealots or just generally unelectable, leaving the "entitled" people to vote for Sanders or Hillary (whichever gets nominated). I originally thought Biden would be electable on the democratic side and the one to win, but he bowed out.

    I just read about Sanders' proposals for free college , medicare for everyone, and all the other stuff he stands for. His tax increases would be dramatic, but not as high as under Eisenhower where the top marginal rate was 91%. If it gets close to Hillary or Sanders seeming to overtake Trump (who is NOT going to raise taxes like that), I am going to sell any stocks I have before the tax rates go sky high.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're right; I don't like Trump. He is a lying Pragmatist, or worse. It's just depressing to see how many people are drinking his koolaid (reference intended). He must be laughing behind the scenes...his biggest qualification is that he knows crony corruption from the inside, so that makes him the best to change it. He knows the words to say about the subjects that concern people...and, regardless of his past, they lap it up. They can enjoy the collar, while he pats them on the head.

    Hillary or Sanders are not going to be elected President. The rats are already jumping from her ship; the crew will be last to notice. She's looking more and more like she's headed toward a "medical issue" that will help her save face and bow out while she deals with her legal issues. Hopefully, she becomes the pariah she deserves to be, since it's unlikely she will serve time in prison. With luck, her world will crumble around her in a 'Lance Armstrongesue' meltdown.

    A Socialist is not going to win a general election. Not yet.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't talk to it. I don't even have a volleyball. I do have a Ronald Reagan doll, however,
    As an aside, Hanks is such a fine actor, but where did he get his coo-coo ideas from?
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can tell you really dislike Trump. I wonder how you will like President Hillary or President Sanders by comparison? Because one of them will definitely be the next president if Trump doesnt prevail.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She just comes across as a real bubblehead, and I think she cost McCain the election
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would estimate no other candidate can have a possibility of beating Hillary or Sanders, so get ready for a President Hillary or President Sanders if we dont fall behind Trump this time. He wont be nearly as bad as either Hillary or Sanderes by a long shot
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, yes, Herb. The Gulch keeps me sane. At least I know that there are others out there who think like I do or at least respect my opinions. BTW, do you call your volleyball, Wilson?...from the Tom Hank's movie.
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  • Posted by MagicDog 8 years, 3 months ago
    Sara seems to have the liberals wetting themselves. If she is as bad as they say then why not ignore her?
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 3 months ago
    Ayn Rand gave a speech in 1960 entitled "Conservatism: An Obituary." Fifty-six years later conservatism has yet to arise from the grave. It has no position or ideology to undermine.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can't. It's about priorities, we spend a lot of money on pretty dumb stuff. Ultimately, the only way to pay off the debt is by growing the size of the pie (the economy). I owned and managed medium-sized businesses all my career, you can never cut your way to profitability. You can tighten the belt, but ultimately you need to raise the top line (growth).

    Our problem is we have a president that thinks that people are happy working their Walmart jobs & whatever, so we have "5% unemployment" when it's really closer to 15-25% it seems like. When people are not really fully employed, they are not really paying taxes either.

    Loss of that revenue and paying out earned income credits & all that boondoggle pile to people that should really just be earning a realistic income is where most of the money goes.

    Government-sponsored development is one of the cheapest things we can do, it's like the SBA, you don't really spend anything on it, it's just guaranteeing the loans. If they don't pay, the government pays back the lender but they also seize everything the borrower has and enslave their tax returns for life until its paid back.

    Nonetheless, development is non-existent in those communities because underwriting standards will have requirements such as "rooftops in vicinity", "vehicle traffic per hour/day", etc.. for retail for example. If you are in the hood, there isn't going to be as much retail traffic as in a retail magnet. Even if people want to invest, on the open market it's difficult to do so, or impossible.

    Does it square with where we want to be right now? No, probably not, but it's a realistic part of the process to move past the welfare state and is more of a policy issue than a fiscal cost.

    Here's a great example, under Obama, it's very "unpopular" to make mortgages available to 'undesirable' homeowners. If you live in California, and are underwater, but have an 800 FICO and negligible debt vs. income, you will not qualify for one of those Obama refinance loans... you are stuck in that adjustable-rate interest-only jumbo because we can't possibly stand for helping people in $800,000 houses... (even though everyone in that zip code has an $800,000 house). It's called social engineering, does it cost the government anything more to guarantee an $800k mortgage to someone with huge credit scores and quadruple the income as a struggling couple in a $300k home and bad credit and crushing consumer debt? Of course not, it's a silly argument. But the Obama policies will pick the struggling people every time because "We gotta help those folks!" The same has been the SBA policies since ancient times practically, student loans for college - are you a white male veteran with distinguished service and want to go to medical school? Probably not going to happen. Are you a female with an unpronounceable name whose parents don't pay taxes? Sure - welcome wagon open!

    To me, it's about repealing all that crap, simply looking at the numbers on a yes/no decision, get the gender/race questions completely out of the stupid applications altogether, and let people achieve on merit alone.

    I've actually been slapped before when some distant relative-in-law was bitching about the cost of education and all I said was "sign up for the military, makes college free"... You know what, it was good enough for me, it can be good enough for others.. To me, college should only be 'free' if you serve as part of the compensation. If you do not serve, it's called a loan, and you pay it back with interest. Giving it away for free because mom & dad are illegal immigrants makes no sense to me, while at the same time charging people who actually work and pay taxes. I don't care if they are poor, they came here, must be better than where they came from. Don't make the underwriting any harder than it is for anyone else as long as they are citizens or permanent residents, but nothing should be free for anyone. If your degree isn't going to pay the bill and you can't afford to pay it otherwise, better pick some other options... maybe diesel mechanic, they make more than teachers... by double...

    We need to get away from this rewarding for nothing mentality. It's only fair if everyone pays their own way, it lowers taxes, and it unburdens the economy. If you can't figure out a way to piddle away that $100 student loan payment until the end of time if that is all you can afford you have no business going to college anyway - stick to the trades or a union job or whatever.

    Cut off the flow of people to careers that require an education but pay poorly, and guess what - within 10 or 15 years those careers are going to pay better.. it's called supply & demand.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't want any government socialist or fascist "planning future communities." The United States is not a "real estate development" owned by the President. And how do you "reduce the cost of government" while, at the same time, "priming the pump"?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Being a patriotic American for a very long time, it feels as if my country has abandoned me on a dessert island. Fortunately, there are others like yourself and the Gulch that keep me from talking to a volleyball.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm from Florida and I thought Rubio would be doing better. I'm not surprised about Bush. He was a good Governor, not great, and has been out for a while.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nothing could have saved McCain. He was chosen because he was loyal to the GOP, and completely controllable. He was one of the most obviously corrupt as well. McCain had about as much chance to be president as Bill Clinton being chaste.
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