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  • Posted by $ HarmonKaslow 8 years, 3 months ago
    From the article at the link below:
    "Charles Duhigg and Keith Bradsher of the New York Times have written an excellent article about why Apple makes iPhones and iPads in China instead of the United States.

    One of the key points is this: Chinese factories are far more nimble than American factories.

    The story Duhigg and Bradsher used to illustrate this will only add to the iPhone lore.

    Just over a month before the first iPhone was to be released in 2007, the authors report, a frustrated Steve Jobs summoned his senior team.

    Steve had been using a prototype iPhone for a few weeks, carrying it around in his pocket. When his lieutenants were assembled, he pulled the prototype out of his pocket and pointed angrily to dozens of scratches on its plastic screen.

    People would carry their phones in their pockets, Steve said. They would also carry other things in their pockets--like keys. And those things would scratch the screen.

    And then, with Apple just about to ramp up iPhone production, Steve demanded that the iPhone's screen be replaced with unscratchable glass.

    “I want a glass screen," Steve is quoted as saying. "And I want it perfect in six weeks.”

    The glass itself would come from Corning, an American company. But the only way for Apple to meet Steve's deadline would be to find an empty glass-cutting factory, a huge amount of glass to experiment on, and a team of mid-level engineers to figure out how to cut the glass into millions of screens.

    An executive at the meeting knew that the only place Apple might be able to find these things would be in China. So he flew to Shenzhen, where a bid for the work quickly arrived from a Chinese company.

    Before they even won Apple's business, the Chinese company started building a new factory building in which to cut the glass. (The Chinese government was providing subsidies, and the company took advantage of them--"just in case.") The company provided Apple with a team of cheap engineers, as well as spare glass for Apple to experiment with, the latter for free. The company's engineers were housed in dormitories, so they were available to Apple 24 hours a day.

    Apple hired the company to cut the hardened glass for the screens, and after a month of experimentation, the engineers figured out how to do it. They quickly sent the first shipment of screens to Foxconn's assembly plant in Shenzhen, where they arrived in the middle of the night. Foxconn's managers woke up thousands of workers and immediately began assembling iPhones.

    Three months later, Apple had sold 1 million iPhones. Four years later, Apple has sold ~200 million of them.

    As the Apple executives who spoke to Duhigg and Bradsher for their article make clear, there is no way American manufacturing companies could have met this timetable.

    The end-to-end process of building the iPhones, Duhigg and Bradsher report, required 8,700 mid-level engineers. In the United States, Apple estimated, it would have taken 9 months to hire this many engineers. In China, it took 15 days."

    http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-...
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      Another flaw in Trump's plan exposed.
      Thanks for posting,Harmon.
      Have you had any similar frustrating experiences in your ventures that you can share?
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
        That was a good post on how nimble chinese factories are. In my experience I can get injection molded parts in about two weeks from receipt of an IGS file, with excellent quality and within specifications. I could never get that in the USA, not even if we did it ourselves (we have a molding machine but no moldmaking department). I buy nearly 75% of our subassemblies from china far cheaper than we can do them here. I can get complete electronic subassemblies made there cheaper than it would cost me to buy parts here.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 3 months ago
      I'd like to hear more details of how Trump plans to do it. If he tries to punitively tax Apple, Apple will just move entirely overseas. What's he going to do then? Ban the importation of iPhones and iPads? The public won't stand for it.

      If his import fees only apply to products American companies produce overseas, the companies will just stop being American. Problem solved.

      More likely he'll try to do things the way he's used to doing them. Congress will pass a private bill offering Apple tax breaks to stay. And they'll do it, and we'll have to get our cheap phones from Samsung or Nokia instead. And Apple will need lobbyists to keep its sweetheart deal, and lawyers to handle all the red tape here. And would-be new competitors will still be locked out.

      This is why Chinese companies are "more nimble."
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 3 months ago
    Trumps plan to add import fees to products of American companies who manufacture outside of America will only hurt consumers. It's not like these companies will just "absorb" the fees and not pass them on. It won't change anything for these companies. He needs to "entice" them back, not penalize them.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      Government must get out of the way. That means a reduction to the size it was (per capita) in 1912, before prohibition created the federal police, before the income tax wrecked productivity, before the federal reserve act destroyed competitive banking and rigged capital markets. Eliminate all federal programs added after 1912.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
      Imagine Walmart, that buys most of its stuff from China. Prices would immediately go up, sales volume would go down, and employment at walmart would drop due to fewer customer orders. Same thing with our small company. We only exist because our customers want the prices that we can only provide if we buy from china a lot of our subassemblies and parts. If we raised our prices to accommodate more tariffs, our volume would most certainly drop, and we would be forced to lay off one of our 5 assemblers. Cant see how that helps the USA
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 3 months ago
    I may have said this elsewhere on this board, but while I was working and living in China (2006) I found a Harley costing $16.5k USD in Upstate NY cost $40k USD in Beijing. So much for "free trade" and you can't tell me it cost $23.5k to ship it over there (unless there's some boondoggle in the space time continuum that makes it possible to move mass from Asia to North America easier than the other way around). No doubt fixing this is part of what Trump has in mind.

    Back in the mid '70s I sent a note to my congress critter that a single trade law that simply reflects another country's own rules back on them is all we needed. That is, whatever restrictions or tarrifs that country placed on any US goods would be placed on all theirs.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 3 months ago
      Milton Friedman showed that we're better off abolishing our import tariffs even if other countries keep theirs.

      This is because a country that takes in another country's money is sooner or later going to send it back. If (for instance) Japanese auto makers get their government to put a tariff on imported cars, this helps Japan's car makers but it's at the expense of all of Japan's other industries and their workers.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 3 months ago
        Hi, Jdg. I'm not going to pretend I am an expert on the results of all tariffs, but I do appreciate the fact things can get out of hand such as their role in leading up to the American Revolution, Civil War, and WWII, and likely other wars around the globe.

        I haven't read Friedman's take on tariffs so I can't comment on that. My proposal was supposed to be an incentive to get rid of tariffs by making them useless for other countries to impose them against us and, as a reflective policy, we wouldn't have any tariffs on their goods. Using your Japanese car example, if Japan placed a tariff as well as "inspection choke points" preventing importation of American cars, then the US would place the same tariff and "inspection choke points" on ALL goods coming to America from Japan. I'm sure ALL the Japanese manufacturers that want to ship to the US would scream loud enough to end their tariff and other shenanigans regarding American cars. Apply the same ruling towards China's treatment of American products shipped to China. It may be too late now, but I like to wonder how long it would take the playing field to naturally achieve level.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 3 months ago
    In Atlas Shrugged, in the chapter "The Morator-
    ium on Brains", just before Directive 10-289 is
    issued, Dr. Floyd Ferris says something must be
    done about the big industrialists' vanishing. He
    even mentions that he proposed introducing the
    death penalty for those people, but Mouch re-
    fused. What is Trump trying to do here? Who
    does he imagine he is?
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 3 months ago
    The only way to do that and do it right would to make the USA a good country to do business in again - by making the US Business Friendly. I think his plan is more of a "get rid of the government hinderances, intervention, and taxation" than a Mr. Thompson/Wesley Mouch/Cuffy Meigs Stalinist approach.

    Harmon's example (above) is an excellent example of this, and why China is beating the tar out of us in Manufacturing... Not only does our Government have it's pork-grabbing hands out at every (and I mean EVERY) juncture, it has busness so tightly regulated, threatened, fined and taxed, that even IF we could hire someone for a fair wage, and have them, like the Chinese workers above, on call to do what needs to be done RIGHT NOW, they would prohibit it as the "nanny for the worker's protective and collective bargaining rights". We have gone from the nation that can do to the nation that must get permission from our masters in Government... and grovel at their feet for permission to barely scrape our businesses by.

    And if this reminds you of how things ran in the USSR - or China - and you're surprised about that, then you haven't been paying attention for some few decades.

    IF - this is the big if - Trump can get Government's big, fat, obtrusive nose out of Businesses behind, and let them GET TO WORK (like we did decades ago) without forcing on them all kinds of moralistic and socialistic programs, rules, laws, and regs they HAVE to follow, then he will succeed, and yes, to quote him, "Make America Great Again".
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 3 months ago
      Getting government out of the way IS the only way to do it right, but Trump will do no such thing. He's proud of lobbying government for special favors and corporate welfare, and he has said he will keep that process going and even make it easier.

      He is "Mr. Rent-Seeker."
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
      A lot of the problem with manufacturing here in the US are the outrageous demands of the labor unions. Look at the costs of an automobile and you can see it.

      China doesn't have labor unions - just communist unions.

      The other thing they don't point out, however, is that the quality of items manufactured in China is crap. They have terrible QA rates. My dad does manufacturing outsourcing in a couple of the major cities outside Hong Kong and that's his constant fight: manufacturing to acceptable tolerances.

      So yes, China is cheap. Problem is you get what you pay for.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago
    Trump cannot force Apple or Ford to do anything unless he plans a takeover. As a businessman, he should know that lowering their taxes and a welcoming environment will do more to encourage local manufacturing than all the coercive talk. Make it easy for business to make money and the nation will prosper. As to Mrs. Clinton, she doesn't seem to understand most of economics and Sanders obviously understands nothing about hardly anything.
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    • Posted by RonC 8 years, 3 months ago
      I think the Donald understands incentive. The world responds to incentive. That is the underlying cause of corporate inversion. Change the corp tax rate and around the world CEOs will look for the best place to locate and many will choose USA. And, if we are a tax haven, trillions of French, German, and Asian dollars will remain here (working) just as they remain off shore now. The travesty is a government that takes it's share of the profits regardless of the worldwide realities. They want fair trade and open markets, but forget in a world market capital seeks ROI. To that end, higher taxes make ROI more difficult to achieve. The result is not only corporate inversion but venture capital also goes off shore, stunting the growth of "the next big thing" here in America. The next big thing will seek and find venture capital where it is, off shore. That's makes our government 1st in line for the "shot myself in the foot" award. Many people have accused me of being racist for the way I object to Obamanomics. It is not a race thing, I would love to debate the big 0 on growth, economics, opportunity, and results. I did not go to Haavaard. I went to work at an early age. I studied poverty in a personal way, didn't want a hand out, just a career with a ladder to climb.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 3 months ago
      He can apply pressure. If you follow the constitutional role, the Presidency is a bully pulpit that can be used to influence decisions -- or bring someone to the table to negotiate.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago
        Influence and force are quite different. Presidents have used their bully pulpit many times to no avail, though it does work at times. The use of force, however, is improper, illegal and fattening. The end of a Democratic Republic can be seen when the executive uses force to accomplish his agenda.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
          "when the executive uses force to accomplish his agenda"
          The past 15 years are a good sample case.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago
            One of the key signs of the dissolution of the state. The last 15 + years have marched along the path toward totalitarianism. Whenever a republic, or pseudo repiublic has gotten a little ripe and started its decline, it has never been able to turn around and get back up the hill. Can the USA? Doubtful, but this country has been unique, so possibly it can perform uniquely. Odds are against it, but I'm no prophet.
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      • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
        Well, Donnie has the bully part, and he would certainly use the IRS, EPS, Treasury, FDA, BATF, FBI, etc etc to wreck anyone who opposes him. Constitution? Just a Galt Damned piece of paper.
        Donnie, perfect for Czar.
        Unacceptable for America.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 3 months ago
    This fellow trump is demonstrating his lack of business knowledge which I find amazing, but then again he is probably just a spokesman for trump enterprises while others actually have run and built his company. that gives him the qualification to be pres. since he will be the spokesman for who ever really runs the country. He will tell us if pres why we are going down hill versus making us great again. As for dictating to apple; trump can dream on.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
      I recall Trump saying he will get good people with good minds together (paraphrasing) if he is elected president.
      "--probably just a spokesman fro trump enterprises--" ??
      I think you hit a nail on the head.
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      • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
        Trump will pick people the way the GOP picks people, with loyalty being the highest priority and unethical behavior being a positive quality.
        I don't doubt Trump CAN hire good people, but he will direct them to do what increases Trump's power, just as politicians have done for generations. Trump is no different in that respect.
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        • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago
          Trump made his financial fortunes on the sickness of American politics. Now that he has more money than one can take with him, there's still a possibility that he is truly sick of this process and is willing to correct it. He certainly knows how it works and he knows how to stop it. He has no need to enrich himself any more, so at least there's a higher probability that he is honest at this point of his life.
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          • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
            And pigs fly,
            For Galt's Sake when will you GOP voters realize you have been conned for generations and trump is just another statist con-man? Everything he has done in the past contradicts your conclusion.
            The GOP is truly the party of FAITH and faith alone.
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            • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago
              I am not as duped as you think. GOP is a statist, socialist camp with religion. Democracts are a statist, socialist camp without religion, but with Sunday services. There are no viable alternatives, except for a total collapse and a civil war, which may happen. As to the mock voting that we go through, Trump may (emphasize "may") be truly sick enough of the system to try to change it. Cruz is perhaps a good constitutionalist, but has less of a chance of winning and is way too deep into religion, as is Carson. I would label Trump as a realist - not perfect, but is there a better choice? (realistic choice, as much as the rigged voting can be considered realistic).
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              • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
                Realistically, America would have been defeated by the British, but good men fought back against the evil state. If they had just whined about taxes are too high or we can't elect an honest governor America wouldn't exist, and the world would still be using 19th century technology. Conservative voters are the only block with a chance to restore liberty, but you must abandon the GOP. That is the only peaceful chance left for liberty. It's so much easier to do than fight a revolution.
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                • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago
                  Like I said above, the GOP is a statist, socialist camp with religion. And traitorous, as well. I have no respect for them at all. I wish that Trump would have run as an independent. If I were to go with the charade of voting, who else is there to vote for and still have the slightest hope that I'm not completely wasting my time?
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                  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
                    “In 2012, some national publications compared the ‘job creation’ records of several former governors who were running for President, and my record in New Mexico was deemed to be the best. My response raised some eyebrows: I said, ‘As Governor, I didn’t create a single job.’ It’s true. Government doesn’t create jobs. The private sector does, and government’s job is to stay out of the way and create an environment in which entrepreneurs and other employers can prosper without unnecessary regulation, taxes and interference. That’s what we tried to do in New Mexico…and it worked.”
                    Gary Johnson, Libertarian
                    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/world...
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                    • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago
                      In a non-parliamentary system, where the winner takes all, voting for a Gary Johnson is the same as sitting on a sidewalk with a sign. By the time a major percentage of the population realize that he's a better choice and agree not to vote themselves their neighbors' goodies, America won't exist anymore.
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                      • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
                        "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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                        • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago
                          If we were to stretch reality and assume, for a moment, that our votes actually matter, are you suggesting that voting for a Libertarian is not "doing nothing"? This is a step function - either 1 or 0. There is no middle. The party that doesn't win is irrelevant (except, of course, GOP-Dems - they share...).
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                          • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
                            Read what I have already written and you will have the answer to that question. It appears that you recognize the evil the GOP and Dems represent and you know that voting for evil is not the answer. If you have a better answer than mine to peacefully restore liberty and free markets then share it.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
          freedomforallI, I respect your opinion.
          Do you think the same holds true for Ted Cruz?
          I'm thinking of candidates with a chance of winning here.
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          • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
            I understand your difficult quest, dino.
            I haven't researched Cruz detailed programs and promises extensively. His religious side neither impresses nor causes me to reject him.
            I am convinced that anyone who represents the GOP will be chosen by the party insiders and will have a compromised integrity.
            If we don't lead, no one will. The only peaceful action open to us is to reject the statist party(DemGOP) and vote for a third party candidate who has not been compromised.
            Otherwise, buy a reloading press and lots of components because dictatorship and martial law will be inevitable.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 3 months ago
    "...a lot of worker going to China..." Eh, whatever. First off, I doubt it. And, second of all, it would probably get him votes.

    I don't expect any of the candidates to think anything near Objectivism anymore...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago
    The only way to get these companies back is to lower the tax rate. Currently I think 10% would do the trick but we also have to restructure the corporate paradigm into something that would resemble what the Chinese factory's were able to do. The will to succeed, competent management and perhaps instead of division of labor, replace it with division of profit making units with the people in those units being in complete control as if it were their very own business and taking a percentage of the profits instead of a salary. It's a variation on the incentive idea that many in sales are used to.
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  • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 3 months ago
    Comments like that from Trump just remind me that he's not a 'natural' at business economics and that when it comes to subjects like outsourcing or offshoring, he needs better advisers... like us, for example...
    But with his Ego, he ain't gonna search for any other opinions.
    And that's a real shame!
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  • Posted by jtrikakis 8 years, 3 months ago
    In the late 80s and up 1992/3 all NeXT systems where made and assembled by robotics in California.. Initial cost for a NeXT system was close to10K. We can do as well as the Chinese if we wanted to, but why?
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    • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 3 months ago
      You should not assume that robotic assembly was the only reason NeXT didn't succeed or should have succeeded.
      Maybe price/performance was the killer OF the product line, not the Killer App.
      Heck, what would the list price have been WITHOUT robotic assembly?
      And remember how Japan owned the VHS market? They bought a bunch of US-made VHS players, then reverse-engineered the ENTIRE assembly process, initially using humans for ALL assembly steps... Then, one by one, they studied the process steps and automated Each and Every Step... one at a time... until it was completely automated.... and then their price/performance points nuked US assembly.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 3 months ago
    Trump has had great success saying things others won't, even if they are outrageous. He will eventually stop the bellicosity, but not now.
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  • Posted by RonC 8 years, 3 months ago
    I think our robots would do as well as chinese robots. Apple devotees would gladly pay the few bucks extra US inspectors and packers would add to the cost. They already pay for handlers and packer at fulfillment centers. Maybe Apple would consolidate inspect/packing/fulfillment in the same facility.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      Assuming a president doesn't give the technology for our robots to China.
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      • Posted by RonC 8 years, 3 months ago
        they already have that technology. When I watch "How it's Made" on the science channel it amazing how much is made by both traditional machine and robot. If a craftsman or tradesman has a "hands on" job it is a rare thing. For me the real worry would be a productivity tax on robot manufacturing. Something to replace or rebuild the revenue stream from declining FICA payroll taxes. A tax like this would be added to the cost the consumer pays just like another expense. That creates a distortion in the market that once again makes it better off shore. The solution seems to be for governments to understand they are not entitled to "their fair share" of the profits. They grab their fair share and we all suffer at the cash register, which is of course robotic, because today's kids can't count back your change!
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        • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
          They have a robot technology, but perhaps not the most advanced tech (e.g.,that is now being patented in a foreign country with patent laws that don't publish and give away the design.)
          I do get your point about more fedgov costs being imposed and wrecking the competitive capability. No doubt this will be done unless the people throw off the chains of "security" and embrace the riches of liberty.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
            Japan has the best robot tech. Probably has something to do with their cultural fascination with the things: Gundam Wing, X-Force, RoboTech, and hundreds more...
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
    They will move production of USA-bound product to the USA when the employee restrictions and regulations are reduced here, AND they can complete automation and robotization of their production lines.
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    • Posted by RonC 8 years, 3 months ago
      A lot of companies use automation for many reasons. Stateside they avoid some labor costs. In other countries with lower labor cost they still use robotics and automation for better Quality. Eventually I see USA robots competing with Asiian and Latino robots. The humans will only inspect, pack, and fulfill orders. Then our benevolent government will most likely impose a productivity tax on our robots to replace the waning income stream from Social Security taxes. At that point, our government will once again put us at a disadvantage.

      To a large extent this is a mismanaged outcome of Adam Smithe's "Invisible Hand". Through the force of equilibrium we should be living more like the Chinese and they more like the Americans. Both our governments create market distortions that prevent free market forces from working. Theoretically, the best way to help the US economy and middle class would be to raise the standard of living for the Chinese and 3rd world. The the pressures of equilibrium would be satisfied. How can there be this force? Just as capital seeks ROI, goods and services exchange in an unhampered way. People with corn trade it for ammunition. People with too much ammo trade for moonshine whiskey. The guy making whiskey now has too much ammo, but he nneds corn to make whiskey. Unless a government steps in a creates a market distortion it all levels out like water seeking it's own level. IMHO the reason for all the trade problems is governments distorting the markets for the self centered interests. I just saying...
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    • Posted by RonC 8 years, 3 months ago
      Ford has had a long standing corporate policy to build a plant in countries where they sell vehicles. This policy goes back decades. Henry Sr. was around when they started it. It was a factoid in one of the history channels documentaries. It gave them a way to avoid tariffs that those countries might impose. They already have plants all over the world, so I don't think Trump is one to anything except something to stir the masses with.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
    Sure they can do that for domestic consumption only. Like Ford is going to do to escape import duties etc. However the Apples and Fords for the world market will be made outside the USA. Second is there is a caveat as made in USA relates to something being done to the product. We offloaded cars that needed pin striping and carburetor adjustment. All the employees that did that were temp agency people on minimum wage.That was KIA on the docks next to Tacoma in Fife Washington...
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      Looks like the rest of the comments caught up to me. Want to drive another corporation out of the country. Sure way to do it. The entire world market production will be out of China and only US consumption will be made in the USA with higher prices. Tariffs on imports? Why would they bother. When you can sell to the world how consequential is one country and the newest model addicts will pay anything asked so Jobs company profit accordingly. Essentially the same item except slower to produce less to market and higher prices for the US consumer.
      Who deserve what they will get.I'm not buying my Jeep in the USA. I want diesel. US cannot provide that option. went back south of the border and got the hole thing for less than half USA price. I don't give a fig for licensing it in the USA. It's cheaper to rent one for the few days bother going back.

      Objectively speaking
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
    There is no way to "bring back the jobs that went to china"- unless americans get off their entitled asses and work for the wages the Chinese get- OR figure out how to automate and robotize to get the efficiency up.

    We have worldwide labor competition now, and to keep jobs here, our people have to be competitive, period.

    So I just spent the weekend doing the end of the year paperwork (under threat of fines and probably jail time) for our employees, so the government can tax them (and our company). A month ago, I spend time successfully defending a labor board issue brought up by of all people- an illegal alien employee. A few months ago, I had to defend our company against the unemployment agency who wanted to charge our UI account for an employee who quit last year and then got laid off by THAT employer after a couple of months and is sitting home collecting $326 a week for half a year.

    No wonder I want to outsource from China. None of these problems!!
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 3 months ago
    "we gotta bring back the jobs from China, we gotta bring back the jobs from Japan and all these countries that are ripping us off"
    Yet another politician talking as if jobs were some scarce commodity in short supply. Jobs are just people helping one another for money. Trump has it completely wrong. There is no limit to the ways creative motivated people can find to help one another in mutually agreed trades.
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    • Posted by Rozar 8 years, 3 months ago
      That's not how jobs work today. In modern society it's helping one another plus the red tape of government telling you how to help, how much you can help, and who you're allowed to help. If you're going to try and rig the game you can't half ass it, either let the market be free or take responsibility for messing it up.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 3 months ago
        "That's not how jobs work today."
        It usually is though. A large amount of the economy is underground. People who have something to sell / buy come together with or without the blessing of the gov't.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 3 months ago
    The 'story' is that labor costs are moving the jobs to China -- but Chinese plants are more and more automated. It's really regulatory costs and delay.

    Lord knows how long it would take to build a new plant in the U.S. with all the regulatory delay.
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    • Posted by $ HarmonKaslow 8 years, 3 months ago
      William ... it may be more than just labor costs, see my post below about how "nimble" the Chinese were to accommodate Jobs' last minute request to change the IPhone screen from plastic to glass. Thx.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 3 months ago
    Apple will thumb its nose at such as it should.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      Thumb the nose and pay the high tarriffs if HRM Donnie gets his way. Higher prices for goods for consumers and more taxes for the fedgov to waste on more unconstitutional laws. Lower volume of sales will defintely affect Apple's bottom line.

      Maybe it's Trump's way of getting Apple to fund Hillary's campaign.
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